Foxfyre writes
Quote:the U.S. guards' conduct at Abu Ghraid is disgusting, indefensible, and intolerable
Now I ask her, what kind of abuses does she think transpired in Abu Ghraib that are so disgusting, indefensible, and intolerable?
She seems to think that these "abuses" are indefensible. It looks like she is doing a pretty enthusiastic job of defending these abuses when she questions the validity of the Taguba Report.
Foxfyre argues
Quote:Alleged rape. Alleged beating. Alleged murder. Proof?
Does she even know what alleged means?
She stresses this word like it was her holy grail. Well, let me help her.
Merriam Websters Dictionary
Alleged
-to assert without proof or before proving
Here are just some of abuses reported by Maj. General Taguba
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Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees
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Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair
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Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick
-Using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee
-Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees
-Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing
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Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time
-Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them
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Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped
-Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture
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A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee
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Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee
-Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees
-The various detention facilities operated by the 800th MP Brigade have routinely held persons brought to them by Other Government Agencies (OGAs)
without accounting for them, knowing their identities, or even the reason for their detention
Maj. General Taguba writes
Quote:This systemic and illegal abuse of detainees was intentionally perpetrated byseveral members of the military police guard force (372nd Military Police Company, 320thMilitary Police Battalion, 800th MP Brigade), in Tier (section) 1-A of the Abu Ghraib Prison (BCCF).
In addition, several detainees also described the following acts of abuse, which under the circumstances, I find credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses
Taguba Excerpts Link
Staff Sgt. Chip Frederick says in a 60 Minutes interview.
Quote:Frederick told us he will plead not guilty, claiming the way the Army was running the prison led to the abuse of prisoners.
"We had no support, no training whatsoever. And I kept asking my chain of command for certain things...like rules and regulations," says Frederick. "And it just wasn't happening."
Six months before he faced a court martial, Frederick sent home a video diary of his trip across the country. Frederick, a reservist, said he was proud to serve in Iraq. He seemed particularly well-suited for the job at Abu Ghraib. He's a corrections officer at a Virginia prison, whose warden described Frederick to us as "one of the best."
Frederick says Americans came into the prison: "We had military intelligence, we had all kinds of other government agencies, FBI, CIA ... All those that I didn't even know or recognize."
Frederick's letters and email messages home also offer clues to problems at the prison. He wrote that he was helping the interrogators:
"Military intelligence has encouraged and told us 'Great job.' "
"They usually don't allow others to watch them interrogate. But since they like the way I run the prison, they have made an exception."
"We help getting them to talk with the way we handle them. ... We've had a very high rate with our style of getting them to break. They usually end up breaking within hours."
The Red Cross, who had repeatedly visited the prisoners in Abu Ghraib, substantiates the recent Abu Ghraib abuses by saying that they had reported these abuses to American authorities months before.
CBC Article
Quote: Red Cross warned of prisoner abuse: report
Last Updated Thu, 06 May 2004 18:45:26
GENEVA - The Red Cross was aware of alleged prisoner abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison months before the U.S. military made it public, according to a news report.
A spokesperson for the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) told The Associated Press it had repeatedly asked American authorities to take action about reports of abuse at the prison.
Nada Doumani told AP the ICRC has been visiting prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison every five or six weeks since 2003, with the last visit on March 20, 2004.
The Geneva Conventions on warfare designates the ICRC to visit prisoners of war. The committee usually discusses the situation of prisoners only with the occupying authority, but has been under pressure following the abuse allegations.
U.S. news network CBS first released photos of the alleged abuse on its television program 60 Minutes II.
U.S. President George W. Bush appeared on two Arab television networks on Wednesday in response to international outrage.
Written by CBC News Online staff
CBC Link
Foxfyre writes
Quote:Now what was it again that we did to the prisoners at Abu Ghraib.?
I've given Foxfyre the proof she wanted.
Where is her proof?
Where is the proof that backs up her claims of abuse by Saddam Hussein. She is fast to criticize hobitbob's proof when she doesn't even present her own. Taguba was actually there investigating in Abu Ghraib. Taguba is an American officer who had the courage to testify in front of a Senate committee.
