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Death penalty for "aspostasy" in Sudan

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 18 May, 2014 01:45 pm
Quote:
Will Obama Reach Out To His Half-Brother Malik To Save Condemned Christian Woman In Sudan?[



quote]The president actually has as a strong connection to one person with influence with the Sudanese government, who could personally intervene at his behest – his half brother, Malik Obama - who was his best man at his wedding.
Malik serves as executive secretary of the Sudan-based Islamic Da’wa Organization (IDO), “an arm of the terrorism-sponsoring Sudanese government (whose president since 1993 has been the Muslim Brotherhood member and jihadist Omar al-Bashir).”[/quote]

Isn't that special? Doesn't look like Obama cares. If he did she would look like the sister he never had. Obama likes Sharia, or he seems to give that impression.

http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2014/05/18/will-obama-reach-out-to-his-half-brother-malik-to-save-christian-woman-in-sudan/
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 18 May, 2014 05:05 pm
Quote:
Over 91% of honor killings worldwide are Islamic.

According to the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, “In the name of preserving family ‘honor,’ women and girls are shot, stoned, burned, buried alive, strangled, smothered and knifed to death with horrifying regularity.” Between 5,000 and 20,000 so-called honor killings are committed each year, based on long-held beliefs that any female who commits — or is suspected of committing — an “immoral” act should be killed to “restore honor” to her family.


No one sees a need for some serious thought(and action) about snapping Islam out of this?

http://pamelageller.com/2014/05/woman-brutally-killed-love-marriage-pakistan.html/
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 07:11 am
@coldjoint,
Dude honor killings aren't Islamic nothing in the Qur'an or Hadiths condone it
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 08:25 am
@Buttermilk,
Buttermilk wrote:
Dude honor killings aren't Islamic nothing in the Qur'an or Hadiths condone it
The Moslems seem to think thay r.





David
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 09:25 am
@Buttermilk,
Quote:
Dude honor killings aren't Islamic nothing in the Qur'an or Hadiths condone it

Dude, you do not know **** about Islam.
Quote:

Dictums of Quran and Hadiths which may dictate/incite honor killing:

Quran- 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (reliable) witness from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them. Or God ordain for them some (other) way.”

Quran-24:2 “The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication—flog each of them with hundred stripes: Let no compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the last day.”

Quran-17:32 “ Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).

Quran-33:33 “stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display.”

Now some sahih hadiths:

Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira: A man from Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque and called (the Prophet ) saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." On that the Prophet turned his face from him to the other side, whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and repeated his statement. The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side again. The man moved again (and repeated his statement) for the fourth time. So when the man had given witness four times against himself, the Prophet called him and said, "Are you insane?" He replied, "No." The Prophet then said (to his companions), "Go and stone him to death." The man was a married one. Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari said: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the Musalla ('Id praying place) in Medina. When the stones hit him with their sharp edges, he fled, but we caught him at Al-Harra and stoned him till he died.
(See also Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 195.)


Sahi Bukhari: 8:6814:
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah al-Ansari: “A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah’s Messenger [Muhammad] and informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse; and he bore witness four times against himself. Allah’s Messenger ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married person.”

Sahi Muslim No. 4206:
“A woman came to the prophet and asked for purification by seeking punishment. He told her to go away and seek God’s forgiveness. She persisted four times and admitted she was pregnant. He told her to wait until she had given birth. Then he said that the Muslim community should wait until she had weaned her child. When the day arrived for the child to take solid food, Muhammad handed the child over to the community. And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al-Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on her face he cursed her.”

Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 2. pg 1009; and Sahih Muslim Vol 2. pg 65:
Hadhrat Abdullah ibne Abbaas (Radiallahu Anhu) narrates the lecture that Hadhrat Umar (Radiallaahu Anhu) delivered whilst sitting on the pulpit of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam). Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) said, "Verily, Allah sent Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) with the truth, and revealed the Quran upon him. The verse regarding the stoning of the adulterer/ess was from amongst the verse revealed (in the Quraan). We read it, secured it and understood it. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) stoned and we stoned after him. I fear that with the passage of time a person might say, ‘We do not find mention of stoning in the Book of Allah and thereby go astray by leaving out an obligation revealed by Allah. Verily, the stoning of a adulterer/ress is found in the Quraan and is the truth, if the witnesses are met or there is a pregnancy or confession."

Al-Bukhari:
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Whoever guarantees me that he will guard his chastity, I will guarantee him Paradise”.

Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, An-Nisa’i and others:
Abu Hurayrah reports that the Messenger of Allah said, “No one commits adultery while still remaining a believer, for faith is more precious unto Allah than such an evil act!” In another version, it is stated, “When a person commits adultery he casts away from his neck the bond that ties him to Islam; if, however, he repents, Allah will accept his repentance”.

Al-Bayhaqi:
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “O mankind! Beware of fornication/adultery for it entails six dire consequences: three of them relating to this world and three to the next world. As for the three that are related to this world, they are the following: it removes the glow of one’s face, brings poverty, and reduces the life-span. As for its dire consequences in the next world they are: it brings down the wrath of Allah upon the person, subjects him to terrible reckoning, and finally casts him in hell-fire.”


http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/honor_killing.htm
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 09:26 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Buttermilk wrote:
Dude honor killings aren't Islamic nothing in the Qur'an or Hadiths condone it
The Moslems seem to think thay r.

Some Muslims do, some don't. If you disagree with Buttermilk, perhaps you can point out the parts of the Quran and the Hadiths that do condone honor killings.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 09:43 am
@Thomas,
Quote:
perhaps you can point out the parts of the Quran and the Hadiths that do condone honor killings.


looks like another A2 genius has me on ignore.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 09:43 am
@Thomas,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Buttermilk wrote:
Dude honor killings aren't Islamic nothing in the Qur'an or Hadiths condone it
The Moslems seem to think thay r.
Thomas wrote:
Some Muslims do, some don't. If you disagree with Buttermilk,
perhaps you can point out the parts of the Quran and the Hadiths
that do condone honor killings.
My post addressed the thoughts of the Moslems, not what is in the Koran.
I 'm not prepared to debate that.
I believe that their thoughts can be discerned
from the (lethal) actions that have been manifested therefrom,
e.g., Moslem fathers murdering their daughters.

Tom, the following is excerpted from some of the research of Coldjoint,
who gets the credit for it:

coldjoint wrote:

Dicta of Quran and Hadiths which may dictate/incite honor killing:

Quran-24:2 “The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication—flog each of them with hundred stripes: Let no compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the last day.”


Now some sahih hadiths:

Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira: A man from Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque and called (the Prophet ) saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." On that the Prophet turned his face from him to the other side, whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and repeated his statement. The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side again. The man moved again (and repeated his statement) for the fourth time. So when the man had given witness four times against himself, the Prophet called him and said, "Are you insane?" He replied, "No." The Prophet then said (to his companions), "Go and stone him to death." The man was a married one. Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari said: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the Musalla ('Id praying place) in Medina. When the stones hit him with their sharp edges, he fled, but we caught him at Al-Harra and stoned him till he died.
(See also Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 195.)


Sahi Bukhari: 8:6814:
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah al-Ansari: “A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah’s Messenger [Muhammad] and informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse; and he bore witness four times against himself. Allah’s Messenger ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married person.”

Sahi Muslim No. 4206:
“A woman came to the prophet and asked for purification by seeking punishment. He told her to go away and seek God’s forgiveness. She persisted four times and admitted she was pregnant. He told her to wait until she had given birth. Then he said that the Muslim community should wait until she had weaned her child. When the day arrived for the child to take solid food, Muhammad handed the child over to the community. And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al-Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on her face he cursed her.”

Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 2. pg 1009; and Sahih Muslim Vol 2. pg 65:
Hadhrat Abdullah ibne Abbaas (Radiallahu Anhu) narrates the lecture that Hadhrat Umar (Radiallaahu Anhu) delivered whilst sitting on the pulpit of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam). Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) said, "Verily, Allah sent Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) with the truth, and revealed the Quran upon him. The verse regarding the stoning of the adulterer/ess was from amongst the verse revealed (in the Quraan). We read it, secured it and understood it. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) stoned and we stoned after him. I fear that with the passage of time a person might say, ‘We do not find mention of stoning in the Book of Allah and thereby go astray by leaving out an obligation revealed by Allah. Verily, the stoning of a adulterer/ress is found in the Quraan and is the truth, if the witnesses are met or there is a pregnancy or confession."

Al-Bukhari:
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Whoever guarantees me that he will guard his chastity, I will guarantee him Paradise”.

Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, An-Nisa’i and others:
Abu Hurayrah reports that the Messenger of Allah said, “No one commits adultery while still remaining a believer, for faith is more precious unto Allah than such an evil act!” In another version, it is stated, “When a person commits adultery he casts away from his neck the bond that ties him to Islam; if, however, he repents, Allah will accept his repentance”.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 09:46 am
Look at this happy couple. What woman would want this for her child?
http://barbwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/islam-child-bride.jpg
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 09:56 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Quote:
perhaps you can point out the parts of the Quran and the Hadiths that do condone honor killings.

looks like another A2 genius has me on ignore.

No, we just posted at almost the same time. Thanks for the pointers.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 10:32 am
@Thomas,
Quote:
No, we just posted at almost the same time. Thanks for the pointers.

Sorry. A lot of people are uncomfortable with the truth or facts in this matter and many other topics.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 11:10 pm
The I-slam religion was concocted for the express purpose of controlling increasingly large confederations of bandit tribes. The main problem with it is that the bandit-tribe model of society has been bypassed by events.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 11:12 pm
The Three Billygoats Gruff



Many years ago, in the Khwarism kingdom, the empire centered
around the cities of Samarkand, Bukhara, and Gurgange in the territory
now called Uzbekistan, there was a bridge across a narrow section of
the Syr Daria river and this bridge was guarded by a troll, named Ali
Mohammed Qa-eelbasi. This was before the padishah Mohammed of the Khwarism
empire burned the beards off of four of the infidel dog Chengis Khan's
ambassadors and Chengis Khan reduced that entire territory to a smoking
ruin (may he who cannot take a joke endure Allah's curse).

Now, this Ali Mohammed Qa-eelbasi was quite wealthy by inheritance and by
dint of clever investment strategies and stock trading and, having no need
of money or wealth beyond his possessions, and being an islamic troll,
rather than demanding money from travellers seeking to cross his bridge,
was in the habit of demanding various other favors from them.

One morning while Ali Mohammed was guarding his bridge and attempting to
catch fish in the Syr Daria, he heard the light clatter of little hooves
on the wooden planks of his bridge and looked up to see a little billygoat
traipsing across the bridge, trippity, clippity, clippity, trippity, and
this little goat (Allah be praised!!) had glossy white fur and flowers in his
mane, and was wearing a silk petticoat with what appeared to be lace panties
underneath, Ali Mohammed could not be quite certain, and a little training
bra from Bloomingdales', and had a coy smile upon his face.

"ALLAH BE PRAISED"!! shouted Ali Mohammed! Surely the faithful shall prosper,
this must be my lucky day!!!!

And, the little goat looked at Ali Mohammed, the coy smile still on his
lips, and said:

Quote:

"Verily, I should be happy for you to have your way with
me and ravish me to your heart's content but, were you to do
that, you would then be too exhausted to appreciate my brother
when he passes this way. He is only a short distance behind me
and he is a larger, finer and more lovely goat than I; he buys ALL
of his clothing from Victoria's Secret."


Now, when Ali Mohammed heard this, he was overcome with passion and desire,
and could scarcely restrain himself; nonetheless, he replied: "Go then,
with Allah's blessing", and allowed the little goat to cross the bridge
unmolested. "I shall (eagerly) await your brother!"

Ali Mohammed went back to his efforts to catch fish and, about a half hour
later, he heard a somewhat heavier fall of hooves across the wooden planks
of his bridge: clippity cloppity clop, clippity cloppity clop, and Ali
Mohammed looked up to a sight which aroused within him a veritable paroxism
of passion. This was a larger goat with a gossamer veil over his face, red
roses braided into his glossy white silky fur all around, a golden necklace
and the thinnest sort of a purple gossamer bodice of finest khitan silk,
and dark, brown bedroom eyes.

"ALLAH BE PRAISED!!!" shouted Ali Mohammed, "Verily, this must be the luckiest
day of my life, for surely no troll has ever beheld so lovely, and desirable,
and alluring a goat as thee!"

"Patience!" replied the goat. "Surely you might have me if you wish, but
then you would be too exhausted to appreciate my eldest brother, who travels
only a short distance behind me. He is the sexiest and most voluptuous and
alluring goat in all the world, and he buys ALL of his clothing at Sexy Sadies
Midnight Boutique. Verily, were he standing here beside me, you would not
notice me at all!"

Ali Mohammed somehow or other managed to restrain his lust and passion and allowed
this goat to pass as well and, after ten or twelve minutes when he collected
his wits and got his pulse and breath back under control, returned to his fishing
poles.

Now when the eldest brother amongst the three goats came up to the bridge over
the Syr Daria river and walked upon its wooden planks, Ali Mohammed did not notice
at first, because this goat's hooves, for some reason, made no noise. Ali
Mohammed was in fact taken by complete surprise as this third goat walked up to
within five feet before the troll ever saw him at all. This goat had a silken
veil as did the second goat, and gossamer clothing but, underneath the gossamer,
appeared to be a very strange goat indeed, yellowish with black stripes, a long
tail, fearsome claws, and huge, very non-goatlike teeth. This third goat spoke
these words:

Quote:

Bless, O Lord, this food to my use and me to thy service, and make me ever
mindful of the needs of others through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.


and, with that, seized the unlucky troll in his mighty jaws, chewed him into
bitesized pieces, and wolfed him down.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 11:18 pm
The story of what happened when muslims tried to treat Mongols the way they treat Christians...



True story. Goofy bastard (Inalchik) seized a Mongolian trade caravan, took everything, killed everybody, and when Genghis Khan sent four ambassadors to determine what the **** had happened, burned their beards off and sent them back to Genghis Khan to show him (Genghis Khan) how bad he (Inalchik) was.

Story ends badly for protagonists. Mongolian movie dubbed into Russian, Inalchik is the guy having molten silver poured in his eyes and ears...
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 12:09 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
The story of what happened when muslims tried to treat Mongols the way they treat Christians...


LOL you do know what happen to Europe when Genghis Khan send one of his generals with a force of 40,000 to act as a recon in force for him and only his early death save Europe from a blood bath after that force, a small fraction of his total forces overcame all resistant and return home.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 12:14 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
The I-slam religion was concocted for the express purpose of controlling increasingly large confederations of bandit tribes. The main problem with it is that the bandit-tribe model of society has been bypassed by events.


You do know that the same could be said about Christianity?

gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 04:37 am
@BillRM,
Christianity has always been a religion of ordinary working and middle class people, and not bandit tribes.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 04:41 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
LOL you do know what happen to Europe when Genghis Khan send one of his generals with a force of 40,000 to act as a recon in force for him and only his early death save Europe from a blood bath after that force, a small fraction of his total forces overcame all resistant and return home.


You have elements of two stories mixed up so badly as to amount to nonsense. Subudai and Jebe (the recon in force, more like 20,000 - 25,000 men) returned in a year and a half or thereabouts while Genghis Khan was still alive. The Golden Horde withdrew from Europe when Oktai Khan died, a generation and a half or so later.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 05:30 am
@gungasnake,
Sorry the recon in force took well over a year and a half after all this was a time when armies move on their own feet or their horses feet and did not cover thousands of miles while living off the land and fighting battles as they did so is short time periods.

Khan die shortly after the recon in force return at a time when he was focusing his forces on China and did not mount a follow up invasion of Europe before his death.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 10:44 am
Quote:
U.S. Becomes Chief Enabler of Christian Persecution
Muslim Persecution of Christians, January 2014

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4312/muslim-persecution-christians-january
Quote:

Human rights organization Open Doors published its 2014 World Watch List in January, highlighting and ranking the top 50 nations that persecute Christians. The overwhelming majority of countries making the list—and nine of the top-ten worst offenders—are Muslim, and include nations from among America's allies (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait) and its contenders (Iran); from among economically rich nations (Qatar) and poor nations (Somalia and Yemen); from among "Islamic republic" nations (Afghanistan), "democracies" (Iraq), and "moderate" nations (Malaysia and Indonesia).

The report also indicates that every Muslim nation that the U.S. has helped "liberate," including during the "Arab Spring," has become significantly worse for Christians and other minorities. Previously moderate Syria is now ranked the third-worst nation in the world in which to be Christian, Iraq fourth, Afghanistan fifth, and Libya 13th. All four receive the worst designation in the ranking process: "extreme persecution."
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