Death penalty for "aspostasy" in Sudan

Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 09:10 am
No Problem Coldjoint.

That is a racially motivated murder. It has nothing to do with Christianity.

These are Islam inspired murders.
Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

2014.05.15 (Youssifiyah, Iraq) - Two women and a child are among five family members butchered in their own home by al-Qaeda.
2014.05.15 (Sadr City, Iraq) - Militants fighting for a Sunni Islamic state set off a bomb in a market that kills eight patrons.
2014.05.15 (Border, Turkey) - Dozens of people lose their lives when an al-Qaeda group sets off a car bomb in a garage.
2014.05.14 (Ghazni, Afghanistan) - A woman is killed and a child wounded when pro-Sharia militants fire a rocket into a home.
2014.05.13 (Hangu, Pakistan) - Sectarian Jihadis open fire on two teachers at a school, killing them both.
2014.05.12 (Baiji, Iraq) - Nine Iraqis are reduced to pulp by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.

* Sources for individual incidents can be provided upon request.
Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 09:17 am
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Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 09:22 am

Christian groups were unquestionably behind the lynchings in the US, as well as the violent opposition to race mixing.
Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 09:26 am
So you are wrong Max. That simple. And here are some numbers for you. Since all you have is "racism" when Islam and other religions are not races.
Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years. (source)

You certainly aren't getting any smarter are you?

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Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 09:44 am
The Qur’an itself borrows heavily on the stories found in the Old and New Testaments. However on many occasions we find Muhammad’s interpretations quite different from the original source. Muhammad picked up many of these biblical tales from his early travels, from Warraq (Khadija’s cousin) as well from the Jews in Medina who he would often ask when making a decision, “What does your Torah say about such and such?” prior to revealing his take on the matter.

As we shall see from going through the extracts of the Qur’an in this section, a high proportion of its content is directed at the non-believers. The terror that they will have to ensue in this life and horrors awaiting them in the next are graphically depicted.

The few Qur’anic verses that extol love and charity if taken in their true context, clearly apply solely within the brotherhood of Islam. Muhammad said that the non-believer should be converted to Islam, if they reject it they must pay the Jizya tax with submission, and if they refuse that then they must be killed.

Hence charity outside the Muslim ummah is an oxymoron in the context of Islamic ideology.

What follows is a selection of verses from relevant chapters that highlight the intolerance, hatred, misogyny and absurdities that can be found so readily in the Qur’an.

Use the links below to read extracts from relevant chapters of the Qur'an.

Start reading Max and others, you just might learn something.
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bobsal u1553115
Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 09:59 am
Bullshit on your bullshit.


A former Klansman and neo-Nazi, Franklin is the embodiment of absolute bigotry. He believed that interracial marriages where a sin against God and took it upon himself to punish the guilty. He enjoyed sniper attacks on interracial couples and killed for sport. Once, he killed two black men and a white woman who were jogging together. He is suspected of having shot and crippled Larry Flynt -- publisher of Husler magazine and pillar of First Amendment rights -- because he regularly featured pictorials of blacks and whites getting it on. The archetypical headline-grabbing killer, Joe also confessed to shooting civil rights leader (and now confidant of President Clinton), Vernon Jordan.
Born James Clayton Vaughn, Franklin legally changed his name to honor Benjamin Franklin and Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels. His first known attack was the bombing of Beth Shalom Synagogue in Chattanooga, Tenn., in July 1977. From then until September 1980, he is suspected of killing at least 17 people -- three interracial couples, seven black men and boys, three female hitchhikers and a Jewish man. During his spree, Franklin survived by robbing banks and selling his blood. He was arrested in October 1980 at a blood bank in Lakeland, Fla. As well as the murders, investigators believe Franklin is responsible for five other shootings, 16 bank robberies and two bombings, in a crime spree spanning 11 states.
On November, 1996, Joseph gave a detailed confession of the June 25,1980, deaths of two women who were shot at close range with a high-powered rifle while hitchhiking to a West Virginia peace retreat. After charges were filed and dropped several times, Florida resident Jacob Beard was convicted of first-degree murder in 1993.
State Police Supt. Col. Thom Kirk said: "He could have zero credibility, or he could have one hundred percent credibility... We're checking out the details he's giving us and tracking them as far as we can. Then we'll hand it to the prosecutor." Franklin first confessed to killing Nancy Santomero, 19, and Vicki Durian, 26, in 1984 . Prosecutors said that a map Franklin drew of the murder scene back then was too general and lacked distinct landmarks and did not corroborate his confession. The initial confession was also "too brief. He got to a certain point and he just stopped talking. Now, he's giving us a lot more details and specifics."
Santomero and Durian were shot while en route to a weeklong encampment of the counterculture Rainbow Family in a national forest in eastern West Virginia. Santomero was shot three times in the head; Durian twice in the chest. No weapon was recovered in the killings, dubbed the "Rainbow Murders." At least seven men have been indicted and in January, 1993, Beard was convicted after several witnesses placed him and his red pickup truck at the scene the day of the shooting.
In February, a Missouri jury sentenced the lethal racist to die for the 1977 shooting of Gerald Gordon, 42, outside a synagogue. Franklin, not one for understatements, told police he wanted to kill as many Jews and blacks as possible. A courteous killer, he thanked the jury for a "fair trial" and added, if he was not executed, he would certainly kill again.
On April 15, 1997, Franklin was charged by a grand jury in Cincinnati with the June 1980 murders of two black teen-agers. The two teens Dante Brown, 13, and Darrell Lane, were shot from a railroad trestle while walking to a convinience store. Franklin implicated himself in the shootings during a conversation on April 13 with an assistant prosecutor. Authorities had long considered Franklin a suspect in the slayings but said they did not have enough evidence to act until he agreed to talk to an assistant Hamilton County prosecutor and implicated himself in the shootings. He also confessed to killing an interracial couple in June 1980 in Johnstown, Ohio.
In February, 1997, a Missouri jury sentenced the lethal racist to die for the 1977 shooting of Gerald Gordon, 42, outside a Clayton, Montana, synagogue. Franklin had told police he wanted to kill as many Jews a possible. He also said he despised blacks, and had a special hatred for interracial couples. He has recieved life sentences in Utah and Wisconsin for four murders, an interracial couple in Madison, Wisconsin, and two black men in Salt Lake City who were jogging with two white women.
In what's becoming a semi-annual event, on January, 1998, Joe admitted to killing an interracial couple as they walked down a street in 1980. A compulsive confessor, Franklin convinced investigators that he is the one who shot Arthur Smothers, 22, and Kathleen Mikula, 16. In a purely random killing, Joe snipped at the youngster as they were crossing a bridge in Johnston, about 60 miles east of Pittsburg. "He gave us information that could only be supplied by the perpetrator that was never in the paper that corroborated the physical evidence," District Attorney David Tulowitzki said. "He's not remorseful," Johnstown police Chief Robert Huntley said. "You could actually see him get excited when he described the murders. ... He gets louder and he gets a little fidgety in the chair."
On March 4, 1998, Franklin pleaded guilty to the 1978 murder of a black man in Chattanooga. He admitted to shooting William Tatum outside a Chattanooga restaurant because Tatum was with a white woman. According to Assistant District Attorney General Joseph Rehyansky, Franklin -- who he calls a "homicidal moron" -- has undergone "some sort of bizarre religious conversion." A believer in numerology, he demanded the court hearing be on the fourht, because the day -- the 63rd of the year -- corresponded with his favorite number -- 3.
On April 2, 1998, Franklin -- apparently drunk on confession juice -- admitted to the 1979 slayings of Mercedes Lynn Masters, 15, and restaurant manager Harold McIver, 27. DeKalb County District Attorney J. Tom Morgan called Franklin "the most evil individual I have ever come across," and said the killings were motivated by racial hatred. In the jailhouse confession, Franklin said he had a sexual relationship with Mercedes, who was white, and killed her after she told him she had sex with blacks. He said he gunned down McIver -- who was black -- because he worked with young, white girls at a Taco Bell, and thought he would hit on them.
Morgan told WSB-TV in Atlanta that his office was told about 10 days ago that Franklin might be willing to talk, demanding "at attractive white female investigator." He wished for a Jodie Foster type to interview him like in the film "The Silence of the Lambs."


Jury says ex-Marines who raped, murdered interracial couple should get death penalty (Video)


Riverside : CA : USA | Jun 21, 2013 at 7:57 PM PDT
By VeronicaS

Couple brutaly murdered by former Marines
24 year old Marine Sgt. Jan Pietrzak and his wife, 26 year old Quiana Jenkins-Pietrzak, were brutally murdered in their south Calif. home by four former fellow marines (photo courtesy The New York Daily News)
The Death Penalty : A Real Execution

Three former Marines who once promised to serve, protect and fight honorably for their country are now facing the death penalty after being convicted of horrific crimes. During the penalty phase of their trial, which began Monday, a jury ruled that two deserve the death penalty, while a third should get life imprisonment without parole.

According to a New York Daily News report, two separate Riverside, Calif., juries found 25-year-old Kevin Cox, 25-year-old Tyrone Miller and 23-year-old Emrys John guilty of first-degree murder for killing fellow Marine Jan Pietrzak, 24, and his wife, 26-year-old Quiana Jenkins-Pietrzak, more than four years ago.

The death penalty was recommended for John, who was the shooter and Miller, while life without the possibility of parole was recommended for Cox. It's puzzling why the juries came back with split verdicts for sentencing when they were all found guilty of first degree murder. A fourth man charged with the murders, 21-year-old Kesaun Sykes, will stand trial in August.

The Pietrzaks were a newly married interracial couple who had tied the knot only three months before their brutal murder at their home in Riverside on Oct. 5, 2008. Around 1 a.m., the four men reportedly stormed the couple’s residence with robbery in mind but then proceeded to rape the wife Quiana and torture her husband Jan for two hours, before shooting them both execution style in the head.

One of the killers, Tyrone Miller told investigtors that he also wanted to have a talk with the victim about a perceived slight. He thought that Pietrzak, who had been a helicopter mechanic, was getting in the way of his promotion.

The prosecution told the court the murders were especially heinous and apologized to the jury for showing them the disturbing photos.

Police reportedly found the huband’s lifeless, bloodied and badly beaten body hog-tied on a couch, and his wife naked, with her hands tied behind her back and her bloodied head wrapped in tape, lying on top of him. She had been brutally raped with a pink vibrator and husband Jan was forced to watch.

Racist slurs were scrawled on the walls of the couple’s five-bedroom home and jewelry, bank cards and even orange juice from the refrigerator were stolen. In an effort to hide the crime and maybe offset investigators, the home was set on fire.

The senseless savagery ended two promising young lives, for Quiana was studying to become a doctor, while Jan served his country in the Marines. To add to the cold-bloodedness of the killings, three of the murderers, Cox, Miller and John, had worked together as fellow Marines with victim Pietrzak at Camp Pendleton.

Formal sentences for the three murderers will be handed down by a judge in August.
VeronicaS is based in New York City, New York, United States of America, and is an Anchor for Allvoices.

Interracial couple’s home spray-painted with racist death threats


A Pennsylvania couple’s home was vandalized with words and symbols of hate. On Feb. 21, Marlene Williams and Jason Powell found the words, “Die N***er” and “1.87,” along with swastikas spray-painted in black on their garage door.

From New Pittsburgh Courier:

The code 187 usually refers to murder. Williams, who is Black, and Powell, who is White, are an interracial couple and have lived in Brookline for three years. She said nothing like this has ever happened before. Williams, who lives in the home with Powell and their 5-year-old daughter, said she does not feel safe and that the Pittsburgh Police are not doing anything about it.

“I did call the mayor this morning,” Williams said to the New Pittsburgh Courier on Feb. 24. “And told him that as a citizen of the City of Pittsburgh, I’ve lived here all my life, he’s (Powell) from Alabama, I feel like I’ve been let down as a citizen. I don’t feel safe, I don’t feel my child is safe walking to and from school, and it’s not okay. I feel they’ve been unreliable and the police have not done their job.”

Read more at New Pittsburgh Courier

Williams believes that a couple from her child’s school defaced the property. She says they’ve had an ongoing feud since January however, there are no witnesses.

Williams says the beef started over a cell phone that her boyfriend and daughter found and turned on. She says the couple has harassed her, assaulted her boyfriend and threatened her family.

The Zone 6 police station did not give a response on the incident.

Is it surprising that this incident has not been filed nor treated as

Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 10:37 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Yet some, if not many, people claim we live in a "post-racial" society. Rolling Eyes
Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 11:30 am
Yet some, if not many, people claim we live in a "post-racial" society.

Sorry you can not used the believes and the actions of a tiny tiny tiny percent of the population to proved that we are still a racial society when the current black man in the white house was elected by the majority of the American people two times and the new mayor of our most important city have a black wife and mixed race children and so on.

There are still problems but we are no longer in any overall sense a racial society even those race baiters such as Sharpton are trying their best to proved otherwise.
Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 11:52 am
You're right. I agree with your statement. Neutral

(Are you surprised that I'd say so? Mr. Green )

Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 11:59 am

for starters...
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Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 12:00 pm
wmwcjr wrote:

You're right. I agree with your statement. Neutral

(Are you surprised that I'd say so? Mr. Green )
not as long as u have that M-6O Machinegun and all that ammunition

Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 02:01 pm
A little more Islam 101

There are four schools of Islamic jurisprudence in Sunni Islam: Hanbali, Hanafi, Shafi’ite, and Maliki. These four disciplines are in broad general agreement concerning the most important tenets of Islamic law, and differ only in the details. Shi’ites have their own version of sharia, which also agrees with its Sunni counterparts in most instances.

Reliance of the TravellerNumerous treatises on Islamic law in English have been published by these schools. One of the most useful and authoritative is a Shafi’ite manual by the 14th-century scholar Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, ’Umdat al-salik wa ’uddat al-nasik, or The reliance of the traveller and tools of the worshipper, commonly referred to as Reliance of the Traveller when cited in English. It is useful because it is comprehensive, clearly written, and well-arranged. It is authoritative because all major Sunni Muslim governments cite it as such, and it has been officially approved by al-Azhar University in Cairo, the most prestigious and widely-respected source of Islamic scholarship in the world.

Every Counterjihad activist should acquire a copy of Reliance of the Traveller (it’s easy: see Amazon). Read it, study it, make notes in the margins, and fill it with color-coded bookmarks. In a debate, if you know this material thoroughly, you will be able to neutralize the tendentious nonsense put out by Islam-apologists. They will have no argument left except to call you a racist.

All Islamic law is derived ultimately from the Koran, or from the sunna of the prophet (the authenticated hadith [sayings] and the deeds of the prophet). Based on these sources, any given human activity is either prohibited, permitted, or mandatory. Behavior is mandatory or forbidden based on edicts in the Koran, or the prophet’s instructions as recorded in the hadith. An act is permitted if it took place in the presence of the prophet without causing his disapproval. This last point is key, because extrapolating from such permitted activities has allowed Islamic law to expand to cover every variety of human activity. A lot of effort goes into constructing modern-day fatwas that make further extrapolations, because such things as airplanes, electric can-openers, and penicillin did not exist in Mohammed’s time, and Islamic scholars must painstakingly construct analogies based on existing law to determine precisely how they are to be treated.

Reliance of the Traveller contains an exhaustive compilation of scholarly analysis based on the Koran and the sunna to provide guidance for the ulema (scholars of the law). A devout Muslim who seeks legal advice on virtually any topic will find it in Reliance.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
The two most important principles to remember when studying sharia are scholarly consensus and the doctrine of abrogation. The first is relatively easy to make sense of: when all the major classical interpreters of law agreed on a point, it became fixed in sharia for all time, and cannot be amended. When a text on Islamic law asserts that a legal interpretation enjoys the agreement of the scholars, it means there is no opening for dispute. These decisions were made over a thousand years ago, and are considered immutable.

Abrogation is a little trickier. If the Koran contradicts itself on any given topic — which it does in numerous instances — which verse is decisive? The answer seems simple enough: the decisive verses are those which were revealed later. The tricky part is deciding which passage is in fact later, since the Koran was not compiled in chronological order.

Fortunately for the ulema, there is a consensus of the scholars about the order of revelation in the Koran, with only a few minor disagreements. This makes abrogated verses fairly easy to determine. As it happens, the most bellicose and violent verses are found in the final parts of the Koran, and supersede the milder verses.

Face the facts.
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Romeo Fabulini
Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 02:29 pm
Liberal lefties, gays, lesbians, atheists and commies are always crowing about how "Islam is the world's fastest growing religion and will soon overtake Christianity hehe"
Ha ha, if Islam ever does become the biggest game on the park in the US and Britain, the first to feel its wrath will be Liberal lefties, gays, lesbians, atheists and commies!
Heard of the Inquisition? You ain't seen nuthin yet..Smile
"Who's there?"
"Sharia Law Enforcement Police!"

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Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 02:56 pm
Some of the laws you will be enjoying.
Some common laws of “Islamic Sharia” which are regularly practiced in the Islamically ruled (Sharia-based) nations with some minor variations:

1- Jihad defined as “to war against all non-Muslims to establish the religion” is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.
2- A Caliph can hold office through seizure of power meaning through force.
3- The head of an Islamic State (Caliph) cannot be charged, let alone be punished for serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape (Hudood cases) - Codified Islamic Law Vol 3 # 914C of and page 188 of Hedaya the Hanafi manual.
4- A percentage of Zakat (alms) must go towards jihad.
5- It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust.
6- A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave and a male.
7- The Muslim public must remove the Caliph in one case, if he rejects Islam.
8- A Muslim who leaves Islam (apostate) must be killed immediately.
9- A Muslim will be forgiven for murder of : a) an apostasy b) an adulterer c) a highway robber. Making vigilante street justice and honor killing acceptable.
10- A Muslim will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Muslim.
11- Sharia never abolished slavery and sexual slavery and highly regulates it. A master will not be punished for killing his slave. Slavery still exists amongst Arab Muslims.

Jihad defined as “to war against all non-Muslims to establish the religion” is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule. Quran - 9:111 Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah ? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.

12- Sharia dictates death by stoning, beheading, for sins like killing, adultery, prostitutions; and other Quranic corporal punishments like: amputation of limbs (chopping hands and feet), floggings, beatings and other forms of cruel and unusual punishments even for the sins like: stealing, sexual promiscuity, robbery, burglary etc.
13- Non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims and must comply to Sharia (pay Zizzya: poll tax) if they are to remain safe. They are forbidden to marry Muslim women, publicly display wine or pork, recite their own religious scriptures, or openly celebrate their religious holidays or funerals. They are forbidden from building new churches or building them higher than mosques. They may not enter a mosque without permission. A non-Muslim is no longer protected if he commits adultery with a Muslim woman or if he leads a Muslim away from Islam.
14- It is a crime for a non-Muslim to sell weapons to someone who will use them against Muslims. Non-Muslims cannot curse a Muslim, say anything derogatory about Allah, the Prophet, or Islam, or expose the weak points of Muslims. However, Muslims can curse, criticize or say anything derogatory they like to the religions of others.
15- A non-Muslim cannot inherit from a Muslim.
16- Banks must be Sharia compliant and interest is not allowed.
17- No testimony in court is acceptable from people of low-level jobs, such as street sweepers or a bathhouse attendant. Women in such low level jobs such as professional funeral mourners cannot keep custody of their children in case of divorce.
18- A non-Muslim cannot rule even over a non-Muslims minority.
19- Homosexuality is punishable by death.
20- There is no age limit for marriage of girls under Sharia. The marriage contract can take place anytime after birth and consummated at age 8 or 9.
21- Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her, gives him permission to beat her and keep her from leaving the home.
22- Divorce is only in the hands of the husband and is as easy as saying: “I divorce you” and becomes effective even if the husband did not intend it.
23- There is no common property between husband and wife and the husband’s property does not automatically go to the wife after his death.
24- A woman inherits half what a man inherits. Sister gets half of what brother gets.
25- A man has the right to have up to 4 wives and wife has no right to divorce him even if he is polygamous.
26- The dowry is given in exchange for the woman’s sexual organs.
27- A man is allowed to have sex with slave women and also with women captured in battle (concubines), and if the enslaved woman is married her marriage is annulled.
28- The testimony of a woman in court is half the value of a man; that is, two women equal to one man.
29- A woman looses custody if she remarries.
30- A rapist may only be required to pay the bride-money (dowry) without marrying the rape victim.
31- A Muslim woman must cover every inch of her body which is considered “Awrah,” a sexual organ. Some schools of Sharia allow the face and some don’t.
32- A Muslim man is forgiven if he kills his wife caught in the act of adultery. However, the opposite is not true for women since he “could be married to the woman he was caught with.”
33-It is obligatory for a Muslim to lie if the purpose is obligatory and is known as Taqiyya (Islamic Deception). That means that for the sake of abiding with Islam’s commandments, such as jihad, a Muslim is obliged to lie and should not have any feelings of guilt or shame associated with this kind of lying.

The above are clear-cut laws in Islam decided by great Imams after years of examination and interpretation of the Quran, Hadith and Mohammed’s life.

34. The perpetrators of genocide, mass rape and plunder will not be punished if they repent - Codified Islamic Law Vol 1 # 13.
35. To prove rape, a woman must have 4 male witnesses. Women’s testimony is not accepted - Pakistan’s Hudood ordnance 7 of 1979 amended by 8B of 1980. Thousands of raped women and girls in many countries have been charged with Zena (physical relations outside marriage) and punished by Sharia courts for want of witnesses.
36. All modern music including sexually explicit music of any kind is strictly prohibited and punishable by Islamic Sharia code of justice. Only Islamic songs are allowed.

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Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 02:58 pm
Buttermilk wrote:
Radical or fundamentalist Islam is dangerous just as fundamental Christianity as expressed by those who bomb abortion clinics or

False equivalence. I don't like fundamentalist Christians (or fundamentalist Jews, or fundamentalist anythings), but their death tolls are orders of magnitude smaller than that of fundamentalist Muslims. And it isn't just fundamentalist Muslims who consider apostasy a crime. According to Wikipedia, the sources of which I have not checked, this is the majority opinion among Islamic theologians.

I have my reasons for rejecting all of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. But if I could wave a magic wand to turn the adherents of just one religion into sceptics, naturalists, and humanists, I would wave it at the Muslims in a nanosecond.
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Romeo Fabulini
Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 03:15 pm
Muslims sometimes post notices like this in muslim areas of English cities warning infidels to shape up or ship out-


Muslim Vigilante Patrol in action: an American dares to swig booze in a London muslim street!-

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Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 03:26 pm
Islam 101: Do not Question the Religion


Sure we see some Muslims say that they are against “terrorism”, which they never really define. But have you ever seen many Muslims actually condemn the Islamic scriptures, or Mohammad? I have not, and the reason is that the Islamic scriptures warn them not to.

The Koran warns Muslims not to ask too many questions.

YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if ye ask about things when the Qur’an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, Allah will forgive those: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.

If Muslims do ask too many questions, the Koran states that they have lost their faith.

YUSUFALI: Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.

Now I will take this a step further, to lose one’s faith is to apostate from Islam, and under Islamic Law this can be a death sentence. The “Reliance of the Traveller, A Classic Manual of Islamic Scared Law”, teaches us that even denying a Koran verse is to apostate from Islam, and apostates should be killed.

Justice: Apostasy from Islam


(7) to deny any verse of the Koran or anything which by scholarly consensus (def: b7) belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it:

Justice: Apostasy from Islam

o8.1 When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed.

o8.4 There is no indemnity for killing an apostate (O: or any expiation, since it is killing someone who deserves to die)

For the record, “The Reliance of the Traveller”, has the stamp of approval from Al Azhar, the highest Islamic learning school in the world.

Now I will point out in the ahadith were it states not to question the religion, and questioning overall is not encouraged.

From the Bukhari hadith, we can see that Mohammad did not like to be questioned.

Volume 1, Book 3, Number 92:

Narrated Abu Musa:

The Prophet was asked about things which he did not like, but when the questioners insisted, the Prophet got angry. He then said to the people, “Ask me anything you like.” A man asked, “Who is my father?” The Prophet replied, “Your father is Hudhafa.” Then another man got up and said, “Who is my father, O Allah’s Apostle ?” He replied, “Your father is Salim, Maula (the freed slave) of Shaiba.” So when ‘Umar saw that (the anger) on the face of the Prophet he said, “O Allah’s Apostle! We repent to Allah (Our offending you).”

From Bukhari volume 2, we see the same pattern.

Volume 2, Book 24, Number 555:
Narrated Ash-sha’bi:

The clerk of Al-Mughira bin Shu’ba narrated, “Muawiya wrote to Al-Mughira bin Shu’ba: Write to me something which you have heard from the Prophet (p.b.u.h) .” So Al-Mughira wrote: I heard the Prophet saying, “Allah has hated for you three things:

1. Vain talks, (useless talk) that you talk too much or about others.

2. Wasting of wealth (by extravagance)

3. And asking too many questions (in disputed religious matters) or asking others for something (except in great need). (See Hadith No. 591, Vol. Ill)

Here is volume 3 verse 591.

From the Bukhari hadith 3:591

Narrated Al-Mughira bin Shu’ba:

The Prophet said, “Allah has forbidden for you, (1) to be undutiful to your mothers, (2) to bury your daughters alive, (3) to not to pay the rights of the others (e.g. charity, etc.) and (4) to beg of men (begging). And Allah has hated for you (1) vain, useless talk, or that you talk too much about others, (2) to ask too many questions, (in disputed religious matters) and (3) to waste the wealth (by extravagance).

Finally the Koran states that Mohammad’s actions are to be followed for all time.

YUSUFALI: Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.

If anyone is waiting for the Islamic world to tear apart the Islamic scriptures, and condemn the actions of Mohammad, they are only fooling themselves. “Moderate” Islam is not coming to the rescue, and it will be our way of life or theirs. Take a side, the freedom of our families future generations is depending on us.
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Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 04:56 pm
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Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 05:00 pm
Explain what? Bush's admin needs to explain why they didn't act on Al-Qaeda when they knew they were on the move.
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Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 05:13 pm
can we all agree that the death penalty should be called for in cases of "apoplexy"?
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