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sunyata
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 01:38 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
it's a False dilemma
sunyata
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 01:40 am
@Ragman,
this is just retoric, i.e. appeal to sentiment fallacy
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sunyata
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 01:43 am
@glitterbag,
youn need self control. to emotional
it's called False dilemma fallacy look it up.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 05:44 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Not much of an answer Walt.
Builder
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 05:47 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Not much of an answer Walt.


Chuckles. You've set the precedent, Finn.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 05:48 am
@sunyata,
What dilemma and why is it false?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 05:49 am
@joefromchicago,
We also have trade unions that act as restraints on trade, innovation, and excellence.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 05:54 am
@Builder,
Hunhh?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 05:57 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
We also have trade unions that act as restraints on trade, innovation, and excellence.
Those "Zünfte"/"Gilden" (guilds), I referred to are just the opposite to trade unions (we have them, too, btw).
The (modern) equivalent are employer's organisations. (And today's guilds act as those here.)
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Builder
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 05:59 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Hunhh?


Pot, kettle, black, Finn.

I don't expect you to get it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 06:07 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Not much of an answer Walt.
Missed that, sorry.

Well, if I'd had the time, I certainly would have written a thesis as response.
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sunyata
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 06:08 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
false dilemma refers to a certain type of rational fallacy
here is some info http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 06:15 am
@sunyata,
No **** Sherlock, how is this a false dilemma?

God save us from these oh so clever clowns who drop a line like it is a crystal dagger.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 07:35 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

We also have trade unions that act as restraints on trade, innovation, and excellence.

As Walter pointed out, guilds are employers' organizations. They operate along the lines of cartels.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 07:44 am
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:
They operate along the lines of cartels.
That's something, people like Marx, Weber, and Durkheim are in agreement with you.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 08:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

joefromchicago wrote:
Bismarck not only supported socialized medicine, but did so from impeccably conservative motives. Just because liberals later championed socialized medicine doesn't mean it didn't start out as a conservative idea, it just means that liberals were smart enough to see that it was a good idea despite its conservative origins. Sorta' like Obamacare.
... and Bismarck only adopted and extended the "health insurance" of the guilds ("Zünfte" and "Gilden").


And there's lots of historical evidence ti support the proposition that Bismark was trying to quiet there earlier social unrest of parts of the then still evolving German state precisely to sustain authoritarian rule. Interestingly Germany escaped many of the adverse effects of all this because a tradition and political structure of multiple local governments and civil institutions that themselves limited the powers of the central government, Conversely France, while vocally espousing liberty was after Louis XVI and the revolution, authoritarian to the core.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 09:06 am
I'm a conservative and constitutional strict constructionist - no big surprise to anyone who hangs out on A2K.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 09:27 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
Interestingly Germany escaped many of the adverse effects of all this because a tradition and political structure of multiple local governments and civil institutions that themselves limited the powers of the central government, Conversely France, while vocally espousing liberty was after Louis XVI and the revolution, authoritarian to the core.
A central German government was only established ten years earlier ... with still very limited powers
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 01:12 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

In your last post, u answered my question fully.

Lee H. Oswald assassinated Barry Goldwater 's presidential career.

If the Democrats had run the twin brother to Hitler, he 'd still have won, anyway.
Frank Apisa wrote:

Well...there is a way to test what you seem to be suggesting.

Let's work toward getting the two most extreme conservative Republicans available to head the Republican ticket
I ALWAYS do that.



Frank Apisa wrote:
...and the two most extreme liberal Democrats to head the Democrat ticket...
The Demos dont let me decide that.



Frank Apisa wrote:

...and see what the people decide.

In any case, if you think Goldwater would have been a shoo-in to beat Kennedy (had he lived) in 1964...I think you are way off base.
Kennedy was badly, humiliatingly, behind in the polls
as of the day b4 the assassination. That 's Y he was campaigning so frantically.
In my memory, I see a national map wherein the polling of US News & World Report
gave Goldwater almost the whole country. That flipped instantly on the day of the assassination; a huge wave of remorse.
There was much denunciation in the media of "the haters"; (that meant ME.
My loathing of the Kennedys for the nightmare their administration put me thru every nite
was very much akin to your own. U expressed it well.)




As did you, David.
During the last week of November, 1963,
my friends met me by asking: " Just get back from Dallas ? "





David
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2014 01:26 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

In your last post, u answered my question fully.

Lee H. Oswald assassinated Barry Goldwater 's presidential career.

If the Democrats had run the twin brother to Hitler, he 'd still have won, anyway.
Frank Apisa wrote:

Well...there is a way to test what you seem to be suggesting.

Let's work toward getting the two most extreme conservative Republicans available to head the Republican ticket
I ALWAYS do that.



Frank Apisa wrote:
...and the two most extreme liberal Democrats to head the Democrat ticket...
The Demos dont let me decide that.



Frank Apisa wrote:

...and see what the people decide.

In any case, if you think Goldwater would have been a shoo-in to beat Kennedy (had he lived) in 1964...I think you are way off base.
Kennedy was badly, humiliatingly, behind in the polls
as of the day b4 the assassination. That 's Y he was campaigning so frantically.
In my memory, I see a national map wherein the polling of US News & World Report
gave Goldwater almost the whole country. That flipped instantly on the day of the assassination; a huge wave of remorse.
There was much denunciation in the media of "the haters"; (that meant ME.
My loathing of the Kennedys for the nightmare their administration put me thru every nite
was very much akin to your own. U expressed it well.)




As did you, David.
During the last week of November, 1963,
my friends met me by asking: " Just get back from Dallas ? "





David


Sounds as though you are proud of that.

Different strokes for different folks!
 

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