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@BillRM,

His injuries were not consistent with a "pounding." That's the only real evidence, something that can not be fabricated or subject to the vagaries of memory.

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@izzythepush,

When he was brought in for questioning by police,
pictures show him bleeding from behind his head,
among other wounds.

Zimmy is an OUTSTANDINGLY GOOD Nabor.
A lot better than me.

David

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@izzythepush,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

The pounding was attested by independent witnesses, under oath; the nabors.

izzythepush wrote:

They don't sound very independent,
his injuries were not consistent with a pounding.
He required no medical attention, not even a plaster.

Perhaps your understanding is in error.
Thay were there on the scene, looking.

Zimmy was not a sniper,
taking out random blacks in the area.

When he killed the criminal,
he knew that the police were approaching and possibly OBSERVING,
inasmuch as he called 911 himself!
He was un-likely to gratuitously commit a felony in front of them.

David

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@izzythepush,

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His injuries were not consistent with a "pounding."

So you claimed just as you have claimed that Tryvon was a poor harmless child .but once more repeated impacts to the head can be deadly an no one would be under any obligation either legally or morally to allow that attack to go on until life time harm had been done to him or her.

My father brother fell ice skating as a child hitting his head and as a result died a week later from that head impact that at the time did not appear that serous of an injury.

No matter how many fantasies you can dream up Zimmerman, as a jury found, acted in legal self defense and the killing of his attacker was justifiable homicide.

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@OmSigDAVID,

He had a minor graze. If his head had been pounded he would have suffered real injuries, bruising, concussion, gashes to the head, not a teeny scratch.

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@BillRM,

You're a fantasist who can justify anything. You justify watching child pornography, describing such people as "productive members of society." Justifying a racist murder isn't much of a leap.

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My father brother fell ice skating as a child hitting his head and as a result died a week later from that head impact that at the time did not appear that serous of an injury.

Zimmerman didn't die though did he? He, unlike your uncle, didn't have a serious injury.

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@BillRM,

Quote:

His injuries were not consistent with a "pounding."

BillRM wrote:

My father brother fell ice skating as a child hitting his head
and as a result died a week later from that head impact
that at the time did not appear that serous of an injury.

U raise an EXTREMELY POWERFUL ARGUMENT there, Bill.

It can be impossible for a victim like Zimmy, on his back,
to know whether impacts to his head have caused severe, permanent injuries
and even more impossible to pre-dict the effects of the next several impacts
to his head.

Indeed, even if among the witnesses (nabors) to this event
were some expert senior neurologists, including brain surgeons,
it woud be IMPOSSIBLE for them to know whether permanent injury
had been inflicted, until thay ran a full battery of their tests,
and it 'd be further IMPOSSIBLE for them to judge what, or how severely,
the next few impacts to his head woud damage in his brain, eyes or ears.

To MY mind, it is inconceivable that anyone woud question
the propriety of Zimmy 's killing that attempted murderer.

IF I had a son
that was guilty of what Martin did,
then I woud most humbly, abjectly APOLOGIZE
to Mr. Zimmerman and to the whole naborhood, for his misconduct.

David

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@izzythepush,

Quote:

My father brother fell ice skating as a child hitting his head
and as a result died a week later from that head impact
that at the time did not appear that serous of an injury.

izzythepush wrote:

Zimmerman didn't die though did he?
He, unlike your uncle, didn't have a serious injury.

The point IS that the victim CANNOT know
how severely he has been injured; not even an expert can know that
without extensive testing, time-consuming testing with apparatus
that was not available to Zimmy, supine on the ground.

Bill said that the boy did not seem to be badly hurt,
b4 he died a week later.

Even worse, he cannot know
how severe the NEXT several impacts to his head will be.

Izzy, u appear to be recommending SUICIDE
for a victim, a true hero, in Zimmy 's position
for the purpose of protecting the bad guy.

What does he carry his gun around for
if not for just such a situation of bloody violent felony against him ??????????

I want to read in the newspapers
that the victims succeeded in KILLING the violent predators repeatedly,
over and over again until we run out of violent criminals (of ANY age).

David

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@izzythepush,

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Zimmerman didn't die though did he? He, unlike your uncle, didn't have a serious injury.

An he could had known what harm was being done to him at the time already or what the next impact would do to him?

Trayvon placed Zimmerman in serous danger of either a lifetime injury or death and that is all that is require for the used of deadly force to stop the attack.

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You justify watching child pornography, describing such people as "productive members of society."

At no point in time or in any postings of mine did I state that either having or viewing child porn should not be punish just not to the crazy degree it is now being punish in the US compare to your own damn nation for example. I am assuming you feel that your law makers are all pedophiles for not having such level of punishments in the UK that we now have in the US. People who do raped children can find themselves servicing less time behind bars then people who have pictures of such acts and that is crazy indeed.

Next yes I do feel that doctors and scientists and firemen and so on are useful members of society even those who had a sickness of looking at such pictures and throwing their lives away instead of trying to treat them for a mental illness with some punishment thrown in including long term monitoring is a waste to the society.

A waste similar to throwing drug users and low level users/sellers in prison instead of treating the problem as a public health matter.

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I don t believe that we can discuss
the merits of principles of self defense
in the same thread as considerations of productive members
of society watching child porn, or censorship.

One discussion distracts from the other.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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I don t believe that we can discuss
the merits of principles of self defense
in the same thread as considerations of productive members
of society watching child porn, or censorship.

One discussion distracts from the other.

True but when Izzy or anyone else lied about my positions on the emotional issue of child porn as a mean of personal attacks on myself I have a right to address the issue then and there.

Take note it is not myself who felt the need to bring up the subject on this thread.

It would seems that when Izzy can not defend his positions on an issue he will throw as must dirt as possible in the air.

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@BillRM,

I've not lied about your position in the slightest. You always take the side of the perpetrator, never that of the victim. Your initial reaction on hearing about "a productive member of society," caught viewing child pornography on a plane, was to advise on the best types of computer security. Absolutely nothing in the way of sympathy for the victims.

You've made your position clear, nobody needs to lie about it at all, although occasionally you need reminding about what you've said in the past.

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@BillRM,

DAVID wrote:

I don t believe that we can discuss
the merits of principles of self defense
in the same thread as considerations of productive members
of society watching child porn, or censorship.

One discussion distracts from the other.

BillRM wrote:

True but when Izzy or anyone else lied about my positions on the
emotional issue of child porn as a mean of personal attacks on myself
I have a right to address the issue then and there.

That 's true. U do.

BillRM wrote:

Take note it is not myself who felt the need
to bring up the subject on this thread.

Noted.

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@izzythepush,

The one who was the victim in this case was Zimmerman not Trayvon so it is you who are standing up for the perpetrator not myself.

Next I am of the opinion that it is dumb for anyone guilt or innocent to not exercise all his or her rights including the right to remain silent when charge with a crime and I do indeed tend to express that opinion when I hear someone had done otherwise.

That does not mean that I am in favor of criminals of any kind getting away with their crimes.

Even when the punishment level for any given crime seem very irrational to the point that in relationship to CP a majority of Federal judges does not agree with the sentencing guidelines.

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@BillRM,

Absolute nonsense. You always support the perpetrator, Zimmerman included. It's also true that your desire for leniency only extends to violent criminals: murderers, rapists, child abusers and the like. You continue to argue for Texas' right to execute a man without examining DNA evidence that could exonerate him.

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@izzythepush,

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It's also true that your desire for leniency only extends to violent criminals: murderers, rapists, child abusers

Not at all unless you mean defining a case of justifiable homicide as found by a jury as murder, defining rape as consensual sex between adults if the woman regret the act at some later point in time [see the case of the West Point Candidate charge with rape after a woman jumped into his bed while he was sleeping] and , child abusers not at all I never had express any mercy toward child abusers. Anyone who directly abused a child should have been placed under the jail cell.

In fact it had always annoy me and amaze me that abusing a child sexually can result in less time in prison then having a picture of a child being abused.

Of course as in everything some of it depend on how you define a child as Trayvon was not a child for example.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Zimmy is an OUTSTANDINGLY GOOD Nabor.

Yes. If Mr. Zimmerman had not noticed that Trayvon was casing houses to break into, and Trayvon had then gone on to get high on PCP and break into a house where a family was at home, the results could have been quite grim.

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@oralloy,

You are completely bonkers, Oralboy.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
Zimmy is an OUTSTANDINGLY GOOD Nabor.

Yes. If Mr. Zimmerman had not noticed that Trayvon was casing houses to break into, and Trayvon had then gone on to get high on PCP and break into a house where a family was at home, the results could have been quite grim.

If frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their asses when they jumped.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

You are completely bonkers, Oralboy.

Not really. Mr. Zimmerman probably saved an entire family from being massacred that night.

You'd be a lot more pleasant without the childish name-calling.

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