IS AMERICA A BULLY?

@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Foofie wrote:
Today I feel generous.

You should me more concerned with how you sound, because you sound ridiculous.

Speak louder, I can't hear you across the pond.

@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

My bad. It's a different but still Jewsih source:

Leviticus 19:18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbour as yourself

The neighbor was Jewish. Christians are supposed to love everyone. Jews are sort of mandated to just be civil to others. Treat them fairly, and civily; no love is needed, as far as I know. Too many Gentiles of different types to think that one should love them all. That's where Judaism is reality distilled, and Christianity is idealistic thinking, in my opinion of course.

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@Foofie,

Ok, you've distilled yourself.

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:

My bad. It's a different but still Jewsih source:

Leviticus 19:18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbour as yourself

The neighbor was Jewish. Christians are supposed to love everyone. Jews are sort of mandated to just be civil to others. Treat them fairly, and civily; no love is needed, as far as I know. Too many Gentiles of different types to think that one should love them all. That's where Judaism is reality distilled, and Christianity is idealistic thinking, in my opinion of course.

People who have returned from human death
in hospitals thru out the nation, for several decades, have attested
that at the end of your incarnate life u judge it,
according to 2 criteria, to wit:

1. Love
and
2. Learning.

This applies to recoveries from human death
(no EKG, no EEG, no respiration for a while) regardless of religion.

www.IANDS.org

David

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

Speak louder, I can't hear you across the pond.

You can't hear me because your head's rammed up your arse.

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Not true

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A more important question would be: is America becoming some sort of 'soft fascist' state, where the people is controlled while being given the illusion of freedom and democracy. There are indications that it is turning a corner: Gitmo, NSA, the rising inequalities...

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

A more important question would be: is America becoming some sort of 'soft fascist' state, where the people is controlled while being given the illusion of freedom and democracy. There are indications that it is turning a corner: Gitmo, NSA, the rising inequalities...

So....ask the question...and some people may give an opinion.

My comment would be that there is enough anger directed at the US so that almost any question posed can get plenty of opinion that casts it in a negative light.

I probably would offer that our nation has EARNED some of that put-down...but as I've said several times, all very powerful nations have abused their power. (I'm certainly willing to entertain a list of very powerful nations that have not!)

So there will be many who suggest America IS becoming a fascist state.

I don't think so. I think Americans are generally free to criticize their government and the individuals at its head...and quite honestly, it is almost a full time hobby for a significant portion of the people.

But if you...or anyone else thinks otherwise...it is free enough for you to voice that complain (you as a visitor) and do so with impunity.

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@Frank Apisa,

I'd add again that while I understand people considering America to be a bully...we do push our weight around...

...I still think we do it less (relative to power) than other great powers have done when they've been top dog. Certainly we do not do more pushing than others when they were in power.

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@Foofie,

Huh, if the reverse was said, we would hear accusations of anti-Semitism. In any case most people who don't believe in any of them would say that all of it is illusion based. What with the talking donkeys and all.

Parsha of Balak

Personally I don't know too much about the Torah, but if the Torah is like the Bible and people being people no matter their religious beliefs, I imagine there are all kinds of interpretations and opinions bandied about. Not too sure you are right in that the Jewish people are instructed not to love everybody. Christian love I imagine is the same as Jewish love. In fact here is another interpretation of Jewish love for "thy neighbor".

Loving Thy Neighbor: Judaism’s Unique Approach

note to any: lost my pass word, cookies messed up, couldn't seem to get my password retrieved, so, revelette2.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Foofie wrote:

Speak louder, I can't hear you across the pond.

You can't hear me because your head's rammed up your arse.

Your earlier comment about a world-wide socialism was laughable. How do you propose to motivate people to innovate without the capitalistic profit motive? Socialists are just naive, in my opinion, like the foolish Jews in the late 19th century that thought Communism would eliminate anti-Semitism in Russia. Ha. The Russians were quite anti-Semitic after the revolution, after they got rid of the Czar.

Anyway, socialism, in my opinion is a fools solution to the inequity in life. Notice how socialist countries only use socialism to get on their feet, at inception (i.e. Israel), but once they get their ducks in a row, they become capitalistic, for all intensive purposes.

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@Foofie,

You're a fascist, you wouldn't understand.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Not too sure you are right in that the Jewish people are instructed not to love everybody. Christian love I imagine is the same as Jewish love. In fact here is another interpretation of Jewish love for "thy neighbor".

I never said Judaism instructs NOT TO love one's neighbor. I believe the emphasis is just not to mistreat one's neighbor - civility. One just doesn't have to love. That's a Christian thing, that in my opinion, is too idealistic for human nature. Just be civil, in my opinion. This might not be actual Jewish teaching; however, the Jewish culture, as I've understood it emphasizes civility, politeness, and not acting out one's contempt towards hateful people. It all comes down to survival as a minority.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

You're a fascist, you wouldn't understand.

When did American become fascist? I'm just an American.

Do you enjoy calling me pejorative names? You do not back up your name calling with facts.

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@Foofie,

Don't address me as if your comments are worthy of consideration, they're not. You are a fascist and a particularly dim-witted one at that.

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@Foofie,

You realize you are showing contempt for a religion don't you? In any case, to put it all in my words such as they are, if you love God then you have love because God is love so you will automatically be civil to your neighbors when they are in need. If you don't, then when you pray, you ask for forgiveness and do better next time. In fact Jesus gave a practical example with the story of the good Samaritan.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Olivier5 wrote:

A more important question would be: is America becoming some sort of 'soft fascist' state, where the people is controlled while being given the illusion of freedom and democracy. There are indications that it is turning a corner: Gitmo, NSA, the rising inequalities...

So....ask the question...and some people may give an opinion.

My comment would be that there is enough anger directed at the US so that almost any question posed can get plenty of opinion that casts it in a negative light.

I probably would offer that our nation has EARNED some of that put-down...but as I've said several times, all very powerful nations have abused their power. (I'm certainly willing to entertain a list of very powerful nations that have not!)

So there will be many who suggest America IS becoming a fascist state.

I don't think so. I think Americans are generally free to criticize their government and the individuals at its head...and quite honestly, it is almost a full time hobby for a significant portion of the people.

But if you...or anyone else thinks otherwise...it is free enough for you to voice that complain (you as a visitor) and do so with impunity.

The problem may be that it is difficult to go against fashion. In some circles it is fashionable to portray the U.S. in a negative way.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Don't address me as if your comments are worthy of consideration, they're not. You are a fascist and a particularly dim-witted one at that.

You are not explaining your accusation. I suspect your definition of fascist is not the official definition. You are really calling many Americans fascist, since many Americans think/vote just like me. And, my dear Gentile bloke, those Americans are not Jewish either. Most are Protestant, I would guess.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

You realize you are showing contempt for a religion don't you? In any case, to put it all in my words such as they are, if you love God then you have love because God is love so you will automatically be civil to your neighbors when they are in need. If you don't, then when you pray, you ask for forgiveness and do better next time. In fact Jesus gave a practical example with the story of the good Samaritan.

I am not a great believer in a Supreme Being.

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@wandeljw,

wandeljw wrote:

The problem may be that it is difficult to go against fashion. In some circles it is fashionable to portray the U.S. in a negative way.

Yes. Faddist behavior really has a great hold on many people. Even on such mundane things as possibly upwards of 95% of women donning flip-flops on the first warm day in Spring.

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