IS AMERICA A BULLY?

@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

By the way, your profile's comment on not caring for one's mortality
could be lessened if one was focussing on what one left behind
(aka, children, grandchildren), as opposed to one's egocentricity,
in my opinion. If I am wrong, and you are secretly a Jesuit, my apologies.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

In my opinion, that can be a little risky;
e.g., look at the State Senator of Virginia whose son lost his mind
a few days ago and maliciously cut him up badly in the face,
and then went inside and killed himself. In the fullness of candor,
I take pleasure in the fact that I have no children.

David

Foofie wrote:

It's a big world. We all can't be the same. Plus, as a New Yorker,
you have one great city to enjoy. It's almost the Year of the Horse.

I have migrated from NY about a year ago, in consequence of a fire.
Before I left, I considered inviting u to dinner at a good restaurant.
I never got around to it; I regret that.

I now reside in Florida, in a gated community. Its nice.
I was by the swimming pool for a while, after lunch, but it got too hot for me.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

If you put on a Yankee or Mets baseball cap you might have ex-New Yorkers approach you as a fellow pilgrim. Just a thought.

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

If you put on a Yankee or Mets baseball cap you might have
ex-New Yorkers approach you as a fellow pilgrim. Just a thought.

There are a lot of ex-New Yorkers here. U see a lot of NY license plates.
See NY newspapers in use. Won 't u come down and join us ?
I 'll invite u to a restaurant !

David

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Don't accuse me of lying...

Why not? That exactly what you are.

Turn up the posts where I wished for your son to die and insulted your dead wife and you will prove you are not lying and I am.

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@izzythepush,

Nonsense. All your nation has to do is ask. So far there's only been silence save for the caterwauling of the same leftists who think it is noble to boycott Israeli artists and scientists.

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@izzythepush,

You have a tough time understanding sacrasm, not to mention the English language.

"I imagine you also believe..." in no way asserts that you've expressed such beliefs, just that I would not be surprised to learn you did.

Interestingly enough only you and a relative handful of anti-American conspiracy nuts believe that Wilson was ousted by the US, but I suppose everyone else is part of the vast American conspiracy or willing puppets of the Yanks.

You also seem to be unable to understand that an opinion with which you disagree is not a lie.

Funny, you took the time to find that link (as irrelevant as it is), but can't be bothered to find the "smoking guns" that prove I have horribly offended your family.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

U r of opinion that he intended to degrade the communist empire ?
Of that, I am skeptical.

He did allow the Communist regimes of Eastern Europe to collapse, which happened in 1989. I remember him telling them publicly to reform or perish, that they could no longer depend on the Soviet Union for support. In other words, he was unwilling to send in the tanks to bail out their (i.e., the Communist dictators') [expletive deleted]. The Germans love him. When he last visited the reunited Germany, they chanted, "Gorby! Gorby! Gorby!"

On the other hand, he was willing to use force to keep the baltic states from gaining their independence.

These are just my own observations.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I've told you before I'm not running round after you. You know what you said and why you said it. If you're looking for lies, how about this thread?
http://able2know.org/topic/216669-1

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

I know you don't recognise international law, but it still exists.
You're going to have to take my word for the fact that
most people no longer want bases over here. . . .

It only remains for your government to tell us to get the hell out.
A precedent was set by the Philippines (if not earlier) around 1991.
Thay said: get out; we left. We used other bases elsewhere instead.
We can again. I don t see a problem with that. We won t get mad.
Ask and ye shall receive (peacefully).

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Whether or not you really left is debatable. You left very much on your own terms. Imagine if Filipino troops had committed rape in America and subsequently been immune from prosecution in the American courts

Quote:

The U.S. has at least twice used the Agreement to keep accused military personnel under U.S. jurisdiction. This most recently occurred on January 18, 2006, when the U.S. refused to hand over custody four soldiers accused of rape during the period of their trial in Filipino courts. This has led to unrest amongst many in the Philippines, who believe that the Agreement is one-sided, prejudicial to Filipinos, and a fetter on the sovereignty of the Philippines. The Agreement is seen by some Filipinos as granting immunity from prosecution to U.S. military personnel who commit crimes against Filipinos, and is seen by some as treating Filipinos as second class citizens in their own country. As a result of these issues, in 2006 the Philippine government considered terminating the VFA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RP-US_Visiting_Forces_Agreement

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Whether or not you really left is debatable.

What is the other side of the debate???
That we are still there ??????

izzythepush wrote:

You left very much on your own terms.

Thay just demanded that we evacuate the bases;
thay did not care on what terms we left,
as long as we were no longer there.

izzythepush wrote:

Imagine if Filipino troops had committed rape
in America and subsequently been immune from prosecution in the American courts

Do we have that problem in England ??

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Whichever way you look at it, America still maintains a significant presence in the Philippines. The bases may no longer be American, but the ships that dock there, and the military personnel that go on shore leave, definitely are.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Do we have that problem in England ??

The legal status is grey to say the least.

Quote:

In March 2003, Lindis Percy entered the base in a nonviolent protest against the war, which she believed to be immoral and contrary to international law. When apprehended by US security officers, she was thrown to the ground and restrained using handcuffs and leg shackles while a woman US military police officer conducted a full body search in a degrading way. Lindis was then forced to lie face-down in a truck to be taken into detention while British police were called to make an arrest. She was known to those detaining her, in the words of one, as ‘a peaceful, nonviolent Quaker’ and had not resisted their intervention.

Among other legal arguments, the Defence challenged the manner of Lindis’ detention on the grounds that it is a breach of UK law to use disproportionate force in detaining a person. The US ‘rules of engagement’ that their personnel must follow when detaining protesters are based on
US practice, which differs markedly from UK practice in the level and kind of coercive force considered legitimate to use. The US rules are a secret; the British Government refuses to answer Parliamentary questions about them and it is therefore impossible to know whether they are consistent with UK law.

http://www.quaker.org.uk/files/Us-bases-briefing2.pdf

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Whichever way you look at it, America still maintains a significant presence in the Philippines. The bases may no longer be American, but the ships that dock there, and the military personnel that go on shore leave, definitely are.

U deem shoreleave, i.e., a brief vacation from work
on the ship, to be a significant presence?? Do u ?

Thay can refuse to let our ships dock there, if thay wanna.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
Do we have that problem in England ??

The legal status is grey to say the least.

No, I questioned whether our troops had committed rape in England
and subsequently been immune from prosecution in the English courts ??
Has that become a problem?

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@OmSigDAVID,

If there wasn't a significant presence there would be no need for the RP–US Visiting Forces Agreement.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Not that I'm aware of.

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@izzythepush,

U know, Izzy, I voted for Barry Goldwater for President and I worked for him.
I worked for William F. Buckley, Jr. and his brother, US Senator James Buckley
and I voted for them both.

I know of NO Republican who is further to the right
(i.e., a libertarian Constitutional orthodox literalist) than I am.
I assure u that I have NO interest -- absolute O -- in bullying England,
not even in my most fleeting thoughts.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

I do appreciate everything you're saying David, but at the end of the day it depends on who's in the Oval Office.

You don't trust the government, you feel a need to arm yourself against the government. Why are you telling me to trust them?

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Foofie wrote:
If you put on a Yankee or Mets baseball cap you might have
ex-New Yorkers approach you as a fellow pilgrim. Just a thought.

There are a lot of ex-New Yorkers here. U see a lot of NY license plates.
See NY newspapers in use. Won 't u come down and join us ?
I 'll invite u to a restaurant !

David

I do not care for the Florida weather. I like colder weather, compliments of the Czars. I also find NYC intriguing, with all its diversity. That is the future of the world anyway.

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