Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 08:47 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
(Can you see the connection of this with
the preferred pronunciation of the word "temperature?" )
No.
I'm waiting to see the connection, too. (In Latin it's temperatura, plural temperaturae.)


Nothing big, Walter...and something apart from the singular/plural question.

It was a comment about how sometimes things are different from what they seem.

I used to pronounce "temperature" the way it is spelled...minus the last "e."

But the preferred pronunciation is tem-pə(r)-ˌchur...the pronunciation I used to think sounded stupid.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 09:01 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

I used to use "fora", David...but it always sounded pretentious when I did.
DAVID wrote:
I don t propose that we PRETEND
to change Latin grammar. It just sounds ignorant,
which certainly IS the source of that mis-use.
Frank Apisa wrote:
I am sure you also use, "The opera Carmen are by Bizet" also, right David?
U raise a good point; clever.
I 'd never thought of that.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Forum is an English word...taken from the Latin "forum."
Uh-huh! Forum is taken from forum.
U allege an American DUPLICATION, like a fotostat.
My mind was virginal to that notion.



Frank Apisa wrote:
Speakers of Latin pluralize it by using "fora"...but speakers of English use "forums"...or at least some do.
Its a fact, a proven fact, that some speakers of English DO,
but thay sound ignorant, awkward, clumsy,
like thay went out to the movies on the day that this was explained in school.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 09:08 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
I used to pronounce "temperature" the way it is spelled...minus the last "e."

But the preferred pronunciation is tem-pə(r)-ˌchur...the pronunciation I used to think sounded stupid.
To who 's preferences do u award such deference ?
I just sound out what is written, as u did. I don t get the point.





David
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 09:13 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

I used to use "fora", David...but it always sounded pretentious when I did.
DAVID wrote:
I don t propose that we PRETEND
to change Latin grammar. It just sounds ignorant,
which certainly IS the source of that mis-use.
Frank Apisa wrote:
I am sure you also use, "The opera Carmen are by Bizet" also, right David?
U raise a good point; clever.
I 'd never thought of that.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Forum is an English word...taken from the Latin "forum."
Uh-huh! Forum is taken from forum.
U allege an American DUPLICATION, like a fotostat.
My mind was virginal to that notion.



Frank Apisa wrote:
Speakers of Latin pluralize it by using "fora"...but speakers of English use "forums"...or at least some do.
Its a fact, a proven fact, that some speakers of English DO,
but thay sound ignorant, awkward, clumsy,
like thay went out to the movies on the day that this was explained in school.

David


Sounds like you are in a bad mood today, David...and people in a bad mood often go awry in their commentary.

You wrote,

Quote:
Its a fact, a proven fact, that some speakers of English DO,
but thay sound ignorant, awkward, clumsy,
like thay went out to the movies on the day that this was explained in school.


My guess is that the number of people who use forums rather than fora...are greatly more than the number who go the other way. Fact is, so much so that people who use fora...sound clumsy and awkward.

By the way...opera was taken from the Latin opera...and you apparently see nothing unusual about that...nor does it cause you to treat it as the plural it is in Latin, because English treats it as a singular.

Why someone who would do what you do with the written language would go on like this about the issue...is remarkable. (Which, of course, is why I am remarking.)

By the way, my favorite opera are Rigoletto.
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 09:54 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
I used to use "fora", David...but it always sounded pretentious when I did.
DAVID wrote:
I don t propose that we PRETEND
to change Latin grammar. It just sounds ignorant,
which certainly IS the source of that mis-use.
Frank Apisa wrote:
I am sure you also use, "The opera Carmen are by Bizet" also, right David?
U raise a good point; clever.
I 'd never thought of that.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Forum is an English word...taken from the Latin "forum."
Uh-huh! Forum is taken from forum.
U allege an American DUPLICATION, like a fotostat.
My mind was virginal to that notion.



Frank Apisa wrote:
Speakers of Latin pluralize it by using "fora"...
but speakers of English use "forums"...or at least some do.
Its a fact, a proven fact, that some speakers of English DO,
but thay sound ignorant, awkward, clumsy,
like thay went out to the movies on the day that this was explained in school.

David
Frank Apisa wrote:
Sounds like you are in a bad mood today, David...
and people in a bad mood often go awry in their commentary.

You wrote,


Quote:
Its a fact, a proven fact, that some speakers of English DO,
but thay sound ignorant, awkward, clumsy,
like thay went out to the movies on the day that this was explained in school.
I did.




Frank Apisa wrote:
My guess is that the number of people who use forums rather than fora...
are greatly more than the number who go the other way.
Fact is, so much so that people who use fora...sound clumsy and awkward.
To the ignorant, yes.


Frank Apisa wrote:
By the way...opera was taken from the Latin opera...
and you apparently see nothing unusual about that...
nor does it cause you to treat it as the plural it is in Latin,
because English treats it as a singular.
Yes, as I posted in earlier response to this, I 'd not thawt of that.


Frank Apisa wrote:
Why someone who would do what you do with the written language
would go on like this about the issue...is remarkable.
(Which, of course, is why I am remarking.)
I like to promote competent logic; it is anti-liberal.



Frank Apisa wrote:
By the way, my favorite opera are Rigoletto.
Maybe its component elements are contemplated individually ?????





David
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 10:16 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
I used to use "fora", David...but it always sounded pretentious when I did.
DAVID wrote:
I don t propose that we PRETEND
to change Latin grammar. It just sounds ignorant,
which certainly IS the source of that mis-use.
Frank Apisa wrote:
I am sure you also use, "The opera Carmen are by Bizet" also, right David?
U raise a good point; clever.
I 'd never thought of that.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Forum is an English word...taken from the Latin "forum."
Uh-huh! Forum is taken from forum.
U allege an American DUPLICATION, like a fotostat.
My mind was virginal to that notion.



Frank Apisa wrote:
Speakers of Latin pluralize it by using "fora"...
but speakers of English use "forums"...or at least some do.
Its a fact, a proven fact, that some speakers of English DO,
but thay sound ignorant, awkward, clumsy,
like thay went out to the movies on the day that this was explained in school.

David
Frank Apisa wrote:
Sounds like you are in a bad mood today, David...
and people in a bad mood often go awry in their commentary.

You wrote,


Quote:
Its a fact, a proven fact, that some speakers of English DO,
but thay sound ignorant, awkward, clumsy,
like thay went out to the movies on the day that this was explained in school.
I did.




Frank Apisa wrote:
My guess is that the number of people who use forums rather than fora...
are greatly more than the number who go the other way.
Fact is, so much so that people who use fora...sound clumsy and awkward.
To the ignorant, yes.


Frank Apisa wrote:
By the way...opera was taken from the Latin opera...
and you apparently see nothing unusual about that...
nor does it cause you to treat it as the plural it is in Latin,
because English treats it as a singular.
Yes, as I posted in earlier response to this, I 'd not thawt of that.


Frank Apisa wrote:
Why someone who would do what you do with the written language
would go on like this about the issue...is remarkable.
(Which, of course, is why I am remarking.)
I like to promote competent logic; it is anti-liberal.



Frank Apisa wrote:
By the way, my favorite opera are Rigoletto.
Maybe its component elements are contemplated individually ?????





David


And maybe not. The data are not yet all in.
Foofie
 
  -1  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 10:17 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Ironically, izzy tends to be something of a British chauvinist. He gets all bent out of shape if he perceives that someone has insulted his Special Forces, and was quite delighted that the crooked bones of Richard III were unearthed and given their proper attention.



In my opinion, Sir Izzy reminds me of the True Believer that Eric Hoffer wrote about in his book by the same name. Eric Hoffer had worked on the docks on the west coast, back when the docks had real manual labor. Hoffer would write down his thoughts while at break, and eventually got published, and became a philosopher of the people for that time. If I remember correctly, the point that Hoffer was making was that many "movements" have their share of zealots that spend years/decades pursuing their goal, only to find that they wasted their best years in a futile effort. I say this since Sir Izzy once commented something about a world-wide socialist government. Even a high school student can understand that the global capitalistic economy is a leviathan that no one can stop or change its course, at least not on planet Earth.

Perhaps, Sir Izzy's enthusiasm reflects the enthusiasm of college students, before the realities of having to survive economically come to consciousness?

But, regarding the concerns about American troops on British soil, I just think that the U.S. will always have some sort of military presence on British soil, since Britain might just be an inviting target for some future rogue nation, and by having a military presence, not much coercing would have to be done to enter any fray, considering so many U.S. citizens are of Anglo-Saxon descent?

Come to think of it, I would like to see American troops in many European nations. Or, at least air bases (owned by the respective nation, naturally).
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 11:15 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
By the way, my favorite opera are Rigoletto.
Maybe its component elements are contemplated individually ?????





David
Frank Apisa wrote:
And maybe not. The data are not yet all in.
Yea, I use data paradigmatically in the plural.





David
0 Replies
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 11:22 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Of course David. Their original purpose was to ensure that any conflict
between USA and the Soviet Union took place on Europe.
They're currently used to project American power across the Europe and the Middle East.

Any government that tried to remove them would be met with extreme violence.
Chris Mullins' A Very British Coup summed it up very well.
Let 's ask Spendius
whether thay have been intimidating HIM.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 11:32 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
I used to pronounce "temperature" the way it is spelled...minus the last "e."

But the preferred pronunciation is tem-pə(r)-ˌchur...the pronunciation I used to think sounded stupid.
To who 's preferences do u award such deference ?
I just sound out what is written, as u did. I don t get the point.





David
A citizen can wonder
whether Frank will identify the objects of his worship,
to whom he offers his grammatical obsequience.





David
Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 12:00 pm
The word you wanted was whose, not who's.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 12:21 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
I used to pronounce "temperature" the way it is spelled...minus the last "e."

But the preferred pronunciation is tem-pə(r)-ˌchur...the pronunciation I used to think sounded stupid.
To who 's preferences do u award such deference ?
I just sound out what is written, as u did. I don t get the point.


David
A citizen can wonder
whether Frank will identify the objects of his worship,
to whom he offers his grammatical obsequience.

David


Just looking in the dictionaries, David. That's all I am doing.

And not really making them the objects of my worship Wink or offering them grammatical obsequience. Wink Wink


Try not to over think these things. Wink
0 Replies
 
izzythepush
 
  2  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 12:42 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Look at the Amanda Knox thread, you've got Americans lining up to insult a dead British girl and her grieving family. I'm not saying all Americans by any means, but a significant number none the less. Were you British, would you be happy if someone with Foofie's hatred of all things British was camped down the road from you with access to military hardware?
Moment-in-Time
 
  1  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 01:19 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:

Izzythepush wrote:

Look at the Amanda Knox thread, you've got Americans lining up to insult a dead British girl and her grieving family. I'm not saying all Americans by any means, but a significant number none the less.


I understand the significance of your post, Izzy, but nonetheless, feel I must jump in. You do not live in America and many Americans simply have not heard of the Knox case; I only learned about it on the now defunct Yahoo Message board when Oralloy brought it to the attention of the forum. And even if many more had heard by now they've forgotten it and moved on; there are so many happenings in society today, it's often hard to keep up....I had forgotten about Knox as well until the discussion on this board when I developed strong hostile feelings against Oralloy for thinking Italy should be blown off the map because he, a lunatic, did not agree with the verdict.

Those Americans I know believe Amanda Knox to be one of loose moral character and quite capable of killing Meredith under the influence of drugs when her judgement were not at its best. The fact she deliberately lied on an innocent bar owner gives us another deeper insight into this curious creature.

NORMAL decent people are on the side of the still mournful parents whose daughter was taken from them prematurely. No person with a sense of justice and fair play will ever curse these piteable parents for trying to pursue justice for their brutally murdered daughter.

PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE THE AVERAGE AMERICAN WITH ORALLOY! There may be people who agree with Oralloy but these are not deserving of any consideration, in my opinion....they are sociopaths! For the most part, people are people who tend to empathize with the stricken and they sympathize with the Kerchers. There are very few Americans outside this board who will trash the British murdered Meredith Kercher.
0 Replies
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 03:45 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
The word you wanted was whose, not who's.
No. I believe that u r in error.
DAVID wrote:
To who 's preferences do u award such deference ?
The reference is in regard to the possessive,
e.g., who 's cars, who 's dogs, Tom's desires, Bob 's friends, David 's house.

My use of the word "who" concerns a hopeful identification
of Frank 's chosen authority qua pronunciation, Mr. Setanta.
Its as if I asked u: "who 's horses are those?"


The fact is that I originally defaulted to: "whose",
but I corrected myself
.





David
Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 03:53 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Jeeze . . . Mr. Mensa. Who's is the abbreviation of who is. Whose is the possessive case of who.

Read more here. (I suspect this effort is wasted, because you're never wrong, are you David?)
ossobuco
 
  1  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 05:16 pm
@izzythepush,
Thanks, Izzy.
0 Replies
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 05:37 pm
@Foofie,
The US will have troops on British soil as long as the British want them to. That they have been there for so many years, is testimony to their welcome (as ambiguous as it may be).

If I were them I would want to count on the US for their defense as it saves them a lot of money. In fairness to the Brits though, they have for the longest time, been there when we called upon them for assistance. I f we're going to spend our tax dollars defending European countries, I'm quite happy to have the UK top the list of those we defend.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 05:46 pm
@izzythepush,
Again the lies about what I have posted about your wife and son. You refuse to provide links to the supposed posts where I committed these sins.

You are a blatant liar who makes outrageous accusations without a shred of evidence.

Here's some incentive for you: produce the links that prove your accusations and I will retire from A2K for all time.

By the way, a post arguing that the UK's health plan shouldn't be a model for the US is not asserting your son should die.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 06:00 pm
@izzythepush,
Now back to the topic at hand.

I imagine you also believe that the idea that the US was behind the 9/11 attacks is well established too. As well established as the idea the CIA killed Kennedy, Freemasons rule the world, and aliens are responsible for crop circles and cattle mutilation.

I shouldn't have to point this out, but the fact that one leftist English kook is intimidated by the US military presence in the UK is not proof that the intent of it's presence is to intimidate. But then your logic is such that anyone who doesn't approve of socialized medicine, wants children to die.

Finally, some of my clients are British, but I'm quite confident that they will have plenty of pounds to pay my fees, irrespective of the NHS. With or without the NHS, I will make my money. I really don't care how your country, Canada, or any other deals with healthcare. If you like socialized medicine, go for it. I'm not going to apologize for not wanting the same approach taken in the US.

Oh, by the way, did I mention that you are a blatant liar?
 

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