IS AMERICA A BULLY?

@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

So you think killing 90% of the American natives was a show of restraint?

What about the behavior of King Darius allowing the Jews to settle back in Canaan? Was that more or less restrained than, say, Reagan's ridiculous invasion if Grenada?

How 'd YOU like to be a commie slave????
Did it break your heart
when communism collapsed ??????????

Reagan rescued American medical students; CITIZENS!
THAT is what government is FOR.

IF government did not do that,
then we shud end government as being useless and save the taxes.

David

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

So you think killing 90% of the American natives was a show of restraint?

EARTH CALLING OLIVIER! EARTH CALLING OLIVIER!

Nooooo, I do not. But I have NEVER suggested that everything the US has ever done has been a show of restraint.

I have said that the US...RIGHT NOW AS THE PREEMINENT WORLD POWER...is showing more restraint than earlier preeminent world powers have shown when they were on top.

I mean...I've said variations on that a dozen times so far in this thread.

Do you know how to read with comprehension?

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What about the behavior of King Darius allowing the Jews to settle back in Canaan? Was that more or less restrained than, say, Reagan's ridiculous invasion of Grenada?

Okay...now you are on to something. I do not know the particulars...but if you are saying that Persia was the dominant world power at that time...and showed admirable restraint...then we have one example of one dominant world power showing restraint.

But that is something.

Cite a few more that make my thesis: The US is showing more restraint in its dealings with the world than previous world powers have shown when they were on top.

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Or would you rather talk about me?

Oh, I love talking about you, Olivier...and I know you love talking about you also.

But I also enjoy talking about the issue raised in this thread.

Let's do that for a bit. Wink

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@Frank Apisa,

Ok so America was not always "restrained". Their killing of so many 'Indians' was "unrestrained". Ok... So what is the precise time frame during which America was, according to you, more restrained than previous world powers? According to me it was during 1940-1960 or so - when the great generation was in power. You say when?

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I do not know the particulars...but if you are saying that Persia was the dominant world power at that time...and showed admirable restraint...then we have one example of one dominant world power showing restraint.

There are many other examples... But if you do not know of them, then you never studied history in any depth. So what's your basis to say that this or that world power was better than the others???

Other than pure chauvinism, of course... Smile

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Ok so America was not always "restrained". Their killing of so many 'Indians' was "unrestrained". Ok... So what is the precise time frame during which America was, according to you, more restrained than previous world powers? According to me it was during 1940-1960 or so - when the great generation was in power. You say when?

I am talking about from the time when it became a great world power, Olivier. How many times do I have to make that point in order for you to finally grasp it?

Do you consider Colonial America as a preeminent world power?

Do you think the America of the wars with native Americans was a preeminent world power?

Think before you click on post.

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I do not know the particulars...but if you are saying that Persia was the dominant world power at that time...and showed admirable restraint...then we have one example of one dominant world power showing restraint.

There are many other examples... But if you do not know of them, then you never studied history in any depth. So what's your basis to say that this or that world power was better than the others???

Name them...since you are so knowledgeable about history...and since there are so many of them.

I do not know of them...because I do not think there were many...if any. We still haven't shown a world super power that showed regular restraint. You have cited one example of a power (it was wiped out by Alexander, so it could not have been all that powerful)...allowing settlement of a few people!!!

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Other than pure chauvinism, of course...

Name the many that you talk about...and we'll see.

World powers that showed great restraint with their powers.

Name them.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

So you think killing 90% of the American natives was a show of restraint?

I challenge the truth of that.
What proof have u that Americans killed 9O% of the Indians ?????

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

How 'd YOU like to be a commie slave????

Is that what you say to all the girls?

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@Frank Apisa,

Why don't you start by telling us during which exact period you think the US was a "restrained world power"? You've been vague about that. Give us the start and end dates of that era. Then we can talk.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Olivier5 wrote:
So you think killing 90% of the American natives was a show of restraint?
I challenge the truth of that.
What proof have u that Americans killed 9O% of the Indians ?????

It might have been 80% - there wasn't really a body count in those days.

Proof? Well, I suppose, you have a look at David E. Stannard: American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World, Oxford University Press, 1992.

Bill Yenne's Indian Wars: The Campaign for the American West (Westholme Publishing, 2008) is a good book, too, as well as Richard H. Dillon's North American Indian Wars (Bramley Books, 1997) - the latter covering more the really dark sites ...

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@izzythepush,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

How 'd YOU like to be a commie slave????

izzythepush wrote:

Is that what you say to all the girls?

No. I 'm open to accusations of hypocrisy
in that 2 ladies whom I was seeing around the time
of the death of communism told me over dinner in fine NY restaurants,
that thay were disappointed about it.

Everyone has a right to his or her opinion.
I 've known some victims of commie oppression
who lived thru lurid, horrible, shocking circumstances
and who 'd have had negative emotions about those ladies.
( Don 't put them together. )

I can afford to be MAGNANIMOUS in victory and freedom.

I was conversing yesterday with a friend and nabor, Larry,
as we sat by the swimming pool, to whom I remarked
that we r well off to live in delightfully good weather,
in good, un-demanding times with the nazis & the commies both defeated.
He agreed. He 's a former sniper. He is a good historian.
Perhaps more knowledgeable on guns than me.
He has a nice collection.

David

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
How 'd YOU like to be a commie slave????

Is that what you say to all the girls?

Is Olivier female ?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Olivier5 wrote:
So you think killing 90% of the American natives was a show of restraint?
I challenge the truth of that.
What proof have u that Americans killed 9O% of the Indians ?????

It might have been 80% - there wasn't really a body count in those days.

Proof? Well, I suppose, you have a look at David E. Stannard: American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World, Oxford University Press, 1992.

Bill Yenne's Indian Wars: The Campaign for the American West (Westholme Publishing, 2008) is a good book, too, as well as Richard H. Dillon's North American Indian Wars (Bramley Books, 1997) - the latter covering more the really dark sites ...

Does the book say that we killed 8O% of the Indians ??

That strains credulity.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I don't necessarily agree with you, but i'll defer to your greater knowledge of German history.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Is Olivier female ?

Like everybody, I have my female side... Why? You're interested?

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@Olivier5,

He's rather play his schoolyard bully games, calling people names and attempting to suggest that people are rattled by him. He's a pathetic case.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Why don't you start by telling us during which exact period you think the US was a "restrained world power"? You've been vague about that. Give us the start and end dates of that era. Then we can talk.

It is my opinion that the US has shown greater restraint on it use of the power it has available to it...than other leading world powers have restrained themselves in use of what they had available to them.

You assert there are many who have shown greater restraint.

Name them...and we will discuss them.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

He's rather play his schoolyard bully games, calling people names and attempting to suggest that people are rattled by him. He's a pathetic case.

No, Jabba...that will not do.

Go eat more. You really do not play well with others when you have not gorged yourself. And obviously you have not done so today...at least not yet.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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Is Olivier female ?

Like everybody, I have my female side... Why? You're interested?

Historically, I 've been a bit gentler in debate with females.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

I don't necessarily agree with you, but i'll defer to your greater knowledge of German history.

Most Germans wouldn't agree with me either ... The reason is quite simple: (broadly) published research only started a few years ago and our colonial history never had been a popular topic (but was [un-]fortunately the main research area of one of my profs.)

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

He's rather play his schoolyard bully games,
calling people names and attempting to suggest that people
are rattled by him. He's a pathetic case.

It ill-suits u, of all people,
to accuse anyone of being a bully.

U know, for someone with such a SUPER-delicate ego as u have,
u shud hurl a lot fewer insults than u always do.

David

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Olivier5 wrote:

Why don't you start by telling us during which exact period you think the US was a "restrained world power"? You've been vague about that. Give us the start and end dates of that era. Then we can talk.

It is my opinion that the US has shown greater restraint on it use of the power it has available to it...than other leading world powers have restrained themselves in use of what they had available to them.

You assert there are many who have shown greater restraint.

Name them...and we will discuss them.

Japan post 1950
Germany post 2005

Both because of the legacy of WW2

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