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Is There Any Chance Christie Did NOT Know About the Dirty Tricks?

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2014 01:40 pm
@Frank Apisa,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

BillRM wrote:
I share your delight that another Republican with at least some small chance of becoming president had shot himself in the foot.

May the far right of the GOP party get their wishes and elected a far right wing nut for President in 2016.
That RINO does not represent our values.
If he got the nomination, then NO ONE
woud be offering original, orthodox Americanism in the election.
No one woud represent freedom in America.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Not another variation on "real Americans", David!

We all are real Americans...even the ones stupid and uncaring enough to disagree with you.
Your comment reads as if
I had challenged some guy 's citizenship; that 's not my point.

I remarked on original, orthodox Americanism being represented
in the next presidential election against distortionism.





David
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2014 02:40 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

BillRM wrote:
I share your delight that another Republican with at least some small chance of becoming president had shot himself in the foot.

May the far right of the GOP party get their wishes and elected a far right wing nut for President in 2016.
That RINO does not represent our values.
If he got the nomination, then NO ONE
woud be offering original, orthodox Americanism in the election.
No one woud represent freedom in America.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Not another variation on "real Americans", David!

We all are real Americans...even the ones stupid and uncaring enough to disagree with you.
Your comment reads as if
I had challenged some guy 's citizenship; that 's not my point.

I remarked on original, orthodox Americanism being represented
in the next presidential election against distortionism.

David


Sounds like a variation on "real Americans" to me, David.

Maybe you are channeling Sarah Palin...one of the intellectual American conservatives.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2014 02:57 pm
@Frank Apisa,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

BillRM wrote:
I share your delight that another Republican with at least some small chance of becoming president had shot himself in the foot.

May the far right of the GOP party get their wishes and elected a far right wing nut for President in 2016.
That RINO does not represent our values.
If he got the nomination, then NO ONE
woud be offering original, orthodox Americanism in the election.
No one woud represent freedom in America.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Not another variation on "real Americans", David!

We all are real Americans...even the ones stupid and uncaring enough to disagree with you.
Your comment reads as if
I had challenged some guy 's citizenship; that 's not my point.

I remarked on original, orthodox Americanism being represented
in the next presidential election against distortionism.



David
Frank Apisa wrote:
Sounds like a variation on "real Americans" to me, David.
If u wanna consider that to be
REAL AMERICAN Constitutional principles, as distinct from distortion, then OK.
The dichotomy is principles of filosofy on one side
and
human beings on the other side. Is that ez to comprehend ?








Frank Apisa wrote:
Maybe you are channeling Sarah Palin...
one of the intellectual American conservatives.
She is a lot less dangerous
than a lot of intellectuals on the distortionist side.

Incidentally, I wanna acknowledge that too many Republicans (e.g. Pat Robertson)
have been guilty of distorting original, orthodox principles of the Constitution, also.

We wanna keep that to a minimum.





David
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2014 03:03 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

BillRM wrote:
I share your delight that another Republican with at least some small chance of becoming president had shot himself in the foot.

May the far right of the GOP party get their wishes and elected a far right wing nut for President in 2016.
That RINO does not represent our values.
If he got the nomination, then NO ONE
woud be offering original, orthodox Americanism in the election.
No one woud represent freedom in America.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Not another variation on "real Americans", David!

We all are real Americans...even the ones stupid and uncaring enough to disagree with you.
Your comment reads as if
I had challenged some guy 's citizenship; that 's not my point.

I remarked on original, orthodox Americanism being represented
in the next presidential election against distortionism.



David
Frank Apisa wrote:
Sounds like a variation on "real Americans" to me, David.
If u wanna consider that to be
REAL AMERICAN Constitutional principles, as distinct from distortion, then OK.
The dichotomy is principles of filosofy on one side
and
human beings on the other side. Is that ez to comprehend ?


Really? And where did the "principles" come from...bananas?





Quote:



Frank Apisa wrote:
Maybe you are channeling Sarah Palin...
one of the intellectual American conservatives.
She is a lot less dangerous
than a lot of intellectuals on the distortionist side.


Thanks for the laugh! She is pitiful...and you guys are stuck with her and her like.

Quote:


Incidentally, I wanna acknowledge that too many Republicans (e.g. Pat Robertson)
have been guilty of distorting original, orthodox principles of the Constitution, also.

We wanna keep that to a minimum.
David


Right. We want to be sure we keep 16th century standards as our present day norm!!!

C'mon, David...think this out.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Fri 31 Jan, 2014 02:25 am
Quote:
New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who seemed to be the frontrunner in many public opinion surveys last year, has suffered from the fallout from “Bridgegate” and other scandals engulfing his administration. Christie now has the support of 13 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents.

That puts him in third place behind Wisconsin congressman and Mitt Romney’s running mate Paul Ryan (20 percent) and former Florida governor Jeb Bush (18 percent). Conservative senators Ted Cruz (Texas), Rand Paul (Kentucky) and Marco Rubio (Florida) register 10-12 percent support. In another opinion survey by Public Policy Polling, former Arkansas governor and evangelical leader Mike Huckabee leads the field with 16 percent support


http://www.euronews.com/2014/01/30/new-2016-polling-hillary-clinton-sails-to-victory-chris-christie-dives/

Stick a fork in the fat man, he is done. It was always a stretch that the big money would support a thug from New Jersey, and now they certainly will not.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Fri 31 Jan, 2014 07:24 am
@Frank Apisa,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

BillRM wrote:
I share your delight that another Republican with at least some small chance of becoming president had shot himself in the foot.

May the far right of the GOP party get their wishes and elected a far right wing nut for President in 2016.
That RINO does not represent our values.
If he got the nomination, then NO ONE
woud be offering original, orthodox Americanism in the election.
No one woud represent freedom in America.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Not another variation on "real Americans", David!

We all are real Americans...even the ones stupid and uncaring enough to disagree with you.
Your comment reads as if
I had challenged some guy 's citizenship; that 's not my point.

I remarked on original, orthodox Americanism being represented
in the next presidential election against distortionism.



David
Frank Apisa wrote:
Sounds like a variation on "real Americans" to me, David.
If u wanna consider that to be
REAL AMERICAN Constitutional principles, as distinct from distortion, then OK.
The dichotomy is principles of filosofy on one side
and
human beings on the other side. Is that ez to comprehend ?
Frank Apisa wrote:
Really? And where did the "principles" come from...bananas?
The Sons of Liberty got them from
freedom-minded philosophers, not from "bananas".
Thay were the intellectual foundation of the American Revolution.





Quote:



Frank Apisa wrote:
Maybe you are channeling Sarah Palin...
one of the intellectual American conservatives.
She is a lot less dangerous
than a lot of intellectuals on the distortionist side.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Thanks for the laugh! She is pitiful...and you guys are stuck with her and her like.



Quote:


Incidentally, I wanna acknowledge that too many Republicans (e.g. Pat Robertson)
have been guilty of distorting original, orthodox principles of the Constitution, also.

We wanna keep that to a minimum.
David
Frank Apisa wrote:
Right. We want to be sure we keep 16th century standards as our present day norm!!!
The present day norm is contemptible, authoritarian and collectivist.
In supporting Original Americanism, we defend our rights to freedom
from extinction at the hands of the distortionists.
I dont speak German, but I imagine that there is a good chance
that Hitler urged the electorate to be more modern
than the Weimar Republic. I reject authoritarianism and collectivism.





David
BillRM
 
  1  
Reply Fri 31 Jan, 2014 08:10 am
@OmSigDAVID,
The sons of Liberty of were hotheads/punks that most of the more level headed leaders of the American revolution did not care to had must to do with.

They was the ones who would beat people up who broke the "voluntary" embargo of English goods for example and promote street violence/riots.


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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Fri 31 Jan, 2014 08:32 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

BillRM wrote:
I share your delight that another Republican with at least some small chance of becoming president had shot himself in the foot.

May the far right of the GOP party get their wishes and elected a far right wing nut for President in 2016.
That RINO does not represent our values.
If he got the nomination, then NO ONE
woud be offering original, orthodox Americanism in the election.
No one woud represent freedom in America.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Not another variation on "real Americans", David!

We all are real Americans...even the ones stupid and uncaring enough to disagree with you.
Your comment reads as if
I had challenged some guy 's citizenship; that 's not my point.

I remarked on original, orthodox Americanism being represented
in the next presidential election against distortionism.



David
Frank Apisa wrote:
Sounds like a variation on "real Americans" to me, David.
If u wanna consider that to be
REAL AMERICAN Constitutional principles, as distinct from distortion, then OK.
The dichotomy is principles of filosofy on one side
and
human beings on the other side. Is that ez to comprehend ?
Frank Apisa wrote:
Really? And where did the "principles" come from...bananas?
The Sons of Liberty got them from
freedom-minded philosophers, not from "bananas".
Thay were the intellectual foundation of the American Revolution.


Just wanted to be sure you recognized that although you made a distinction between "the dichotomy is principles of filosofy on one side and human beings on the other side"...

...the dichotomy of which you speak really doesn't exist.




Quote:


Quote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
Maybe you are channeling Sarah Palin...
one of the intellectual American conservatives.
She is a lot less dangerous
than a lot of intellectuals on the distortionist side.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Thanks for the laugh! She is pitiful...and you guys are stuck with her and her like.



Quote:


Incidentally, I wanna acknowledge that too many Republicans (e.g. Pat Robertson)
have been guilty of distorting original, orthodox principles of the Constitution, also.

We wanna keep that to a minimum.
David
Frank Apisa wrote:
Right. We want to be sure we keep 16th century standards as our present day norm!!!
The present day norm is contemptible, authoritarian and collectivist.
In supporting Original Americanism, we defend our rights to freedom
from extinction at the hands of the distortionists.
I dont speak German, but I imagine that there is a good chance
that Hitler urged the electorate to be more modern
than the Weimar Republic. I reject authoritarianism and collectivism.
David



So you are saying that you want to stick with 16th century standards.

Fine.

I have no trouble whatever understanding that you do.
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ehBeth
 
  3  
Reply Fri 31 Jan, 2014 08:44 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
That RINO does not represent our values.


He doesn't represent your values.

As near as I can make out from watching US politics, there is no one currently in the Republican party who represents anything like the views you express on A2K.

Have you identified a Republican who does represent your views? if so, who is it?
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Fri 31 Jan, 2014 09:42 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
That RINO does not represent our values.


He doesn't represent your values.

As near as I can make out from watching US politics,
there is no one currently in the Republican party who represents
anything like the views you express on A2K.

Have you identified a Republican who does represent your views? if so, who is it?
Well, I think that the best we can do is Senator Rand Paul.
He holds himself out to be a libertarian,
tho sadly, he opposes freedom of abortion. That is distressing.
There may be some danger that he is a fanatical pacifist; (his dad is).

Anyway, he is my best answer, as of now.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Fri 31 Jan, 2014 09:57 am
@ehBeth,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
That RINO does not represent our values.
ehBeth wrote:
He doesn't represent your values.
He does not represent the values of Orthodox, Original Americanism,
those manifested in the Sons of Liberty in the 17OOs.



ehBeth wrote:
As near as I can make out from watching US politics,
there is no one currently in the Republican party who represents
anything like the views you express on A2K.

Have you identified a Republican who does represent your views? if so, who is it?
Well, I think that our best choice is Senator Rand Paul.
He holds himself out to be a libertarian,
tho sadly, he opposes freedom of abortion. That is distressing.
There may be some danger that he is a fanatical pacifist; (his dad is).

Anyway, he is my best answer, as of now.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Fri 31 Jan, 2014 10:00 am
@ehBeth,
FORGIVE THE DOUBLE POST, PLEASE.





David
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Moment-in-Time
 
  1  
Reply Fri 31 Jan, 2014 03:06 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Breaking News! NYT: David Wildstein says "Christi knew all along about the Lane Closings near GWB. "There is some kind of correspondence that will refute Christi's words he did not know."
Moment-in-Time
 
  1  
Reply Fri 31 Jan, 2014 03:26 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
N.Y. / REGION

Christie Knew About Lane Closings, Ex-Port Authority Official Says
By KATE ZERNIKEJAN. 31, 2014
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David Wildstein, right, with his lawyer, Alan Zegas, at a hearing in Trenton, New Jersey, in January. Ángel Franco/The New York Times

The former Port Authority official who personally oversaw the lane closings on the George Washington Bridge in the scandal now swirling around Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said on Friday that the governor knew about the lane closings when they were happening, and that he had the evidence to prove it.

In a letter released by his lawyer, the official, David Wildstein, a high school friend of Mr. Christie’s who was appointed with the governor’s blessing at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which controls the bridge, described the order to close the lanes as “the Christie administration’s order” and said “evidence exists as well tying Mr. Christie to having knowledge of the lane closures, during the period when the lanes were closed, contrary to what the governor stated publicly in a two-hour press conference” three weeks ago.


Document: Letter Says Governor Christie Knew About Lane Closings
“Mr. Wildstein contests the accuracy of various statements that the governor made about him and he can prove the inaccuracy of some,” the letter added.

The letter marked the first signal that Mr. Christie may have been aware of the closings, something he repeatedly denied during thenews conference.

In early January, documents revealed that a deputy chief of staff to Mr. Christie, Bridget Anne Kelly, had sent an email to Mr. Wildstein saying, “Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee,” the town at the New Jersey end of the bridge, where Mr. Christie’s aides had pursued but failed to receive an endorsement from the mayor.

Mr. Christie has steadfastly denied that he knew before this month that anyone in his administration was responsible for the lane closings, and his administration has tried to portray it as the actions of a rogue staff member.

The governor fired Ms. Kelly. Mr. Wildstein, the director of interstate capital projects at the Port Authority, resigned.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/nyregion/christie-bridge.html
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Fri 31 Jan, 2014 03:29 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Thankfully, it appears that the people who have been taken in by the charade that is Chris Christie will be spared the task of having to pull the lever over his name in the next presidential election.

Good for the country. He would have made a disastrous president.
Moment-in-Time
 
  1  
Reply Fri 31 Jan, 2014 03:42 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Thankfully, it appears that the people who have been taken in by the charade that is Chris Christie will be spared the task of having to pull the lever over his name in the next presidential election.

Good for the country. He would have made a disastrous president.


I, for one, never believed Christi would ever attain the presidency of these United States unless he stole the election the way George w Bush did in 2000. I felt insulted that the governor of NJ intimidated so many people with his bullying and had his people situated in all powerful key positions of the government where the culture of retribution continued unabated. Christi is a menacing figure, his power is frightening beyond words. I'm glad to see his balloon has been punctured.
Moment-in-Time
 
  1  
Reply Fri 31 Jan, 2014 04:15 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
With all due respect to Governor Chris Christi, "The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine...."
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hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Fri 31 Jan, 2014 09:29 pm
Quote:
The former Port Authority official who personally oversaw the lane closings on the George Washington Bridge in the scandal now swirling around Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said on Friday that “evidence exists” the governor knew about the lane closings when they were happening.
In a letter released by his lawyer, the former official, David Wildstein, a high school friend of Mr. Christie’s who was appointed with the governor’s blessing at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which controls the bridge, described the order to close the lanes as “the Christie administration’s order” and said “evidence exists as well tying Mr. Christie to having knowledge of the lane closures, during the period when the lanes were closed, contrary to what the governor stated publicly in a two-hour press conference” three weeks ago.
“Mr. Wildstein contests the accuracy of various statements that the governor made about him, and he can prove the inaccuracy of some,” the letter added.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/01/31/chris_christie_david_wildstein_ex_port_authority_official_claims_governor.html

Once folks figure out that you are one the way down they reach out and kick you if you have treated people poorly.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Fri 31 Jan, 2014 09:44 pm
@hawkeye10,

By Star-Ledger Editorial Board

Quote:
Forget about the White House in 2016. The question now is whether Gov. Chris Christie can survive as governor.

David Wildstein, the man who ordered the George Washington Bridge lane closures, is now pointing the finger directly at Gov. Chris Christie, saying the governor knew about the lane closures in September when they occurred.

That directly contradicts Christie account at his Jan. 13 press conference when he made this statement: "I had no knowledge of this — of the planning, the execution or anything about it... I first found out about it after it was over."

If this charge proves true, then the governor must resign or be impeached.

http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2014/01/chris_christie_should_resign_i.html
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panzade
 
  2  
Reply Fri 31 Jan, 2014 11:16 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
I knew somebody would sing like a canary
 

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