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Is There Any Chance Christie Did NOT Know About the Dirty Tricks?

 
 
anonymously99
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 03:00 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I love when you attack me using your words as you do with me Frank Apisa. Understanding you is like understanding another language. You make me crave for more knowledge.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 03:39 pm
@Frank Apisa,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Social legislation rapes the Constitution.
David
Frank Apisa wrote:
That is one of the reasons I so loathe
the conservative agenda...because so many supporters of the conservative agenda feel that way.
Yes; that is a defining point, Frank.
I fight for freedom, whereas u fight for oppresssion
to support The Welfare State. Those of your philosophy seek
to pound a figurative square peg into a round hole to result in a change
from the free country status that the USA had up to around 1910.
U choose to exchange liberty for collectivism and authoritarianism.

Its war. I am on the Freedom Side, the same side as James Madison.

Your goal is very similar in principle
to the rationale of the commies and the nazis.



Frank Apisa wrote:
David...you have no problem asking that young children be allowed
to carry weapons into grammar schools because of the 2nd Amendment...
NO, NO, no, Frank. That 's not what I said.
I did not advocate that kids be "allowed" to carry weapons,
out of some magnanimous generosity (any more than thay be "allowed"
to entertain religious beliefs of their personal choice).

Its not like giving them bicycles on their birthdays.
I demanded that their rock-hard Constitutional rights to
keep and bear arms in defense of their lives be recognized,
the same as anyone else in equal protection of the laws.
There is no age limit in the Bill of Rights; the latter simply deprives
government of any jurisdiction
to interfere in some designated areas.

Obviously, the people in the very first years of life
are not ABLE to exercise their rights to keep or bear arms.
Below an un-certain age, a citizen is not able to lift a gun, nor to talk or walk.
Below an un-certain age, NO tools, including defensive tools, can be used.


Frank Apisa wrote:
...but you have a problem with the government operating
along the lines of "...promote the general welfare...".
Yes. Government was never granted jurisdiction to interfere in that.
Such decisions and plans shud be among the citizens themselves,
not something as low as a government.

Your Article I Section 8 quote referred to taxation jurisdiction,
not to jurisdiction to curtail a citizen 's liberty.
For instance, government might have had competent jd
to raise funds by taxation for a propaganda campaign
against smoking, but not jurisdiction to grab a citizen
and rob him of his cigarettes, in the name of the "general welfare".





David
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 03:48 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Social legislation rapes the Constitution.
David
Frank Apisa wrote:
That is one of the reasons I so loathe
the conservative agenda...because so many supporters of the conservative agenda feel that way.
Yes; that is a defining point, Frank.
I fight for freedom, whereas u fight for oppresssion
to support The Welfare State. Those of your philosophy seek
to pound a figurative square peg into a round hole to result in a change
from the free country status that the USA had up to around 1910.
U choose to exchange liberty for collectivism and authoritarianism.

Its war. I am on the Freedom Side, the same side as James Madison.

Your goal is very similar in principle
to the rationale of the commies and the nazis.


Thank you, David...now you are getting into the spirit of things.

One of the other reasons I so loathe the conservative agenda is because so many supporters of the conservative agenda feel that way also.

That was nice of you to help me.


Quote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
David...you have no problem asking that young children be allowed
to carry weapons into grammar schools because of the 2nd Amendment...
NO, NO, no, Frank. That 's not what I said.
I did not advocate that kids be "allowed" to carry weapons,
out of some magnanimous generosity (any more than thay be "allowed"
to entertain religious beliefs of their personal choice).

Its not like giving them bicycles on their birthdays.
I demanded that their rock-hard Constitutional rights to
keep and bear arms in defense of their lives be recognized,
the same as anyone else in equal protection of the laws.
There is no age limit in the Bill of Rights; the latter simply deprives
government of any jurisdiction
to interfere in some designated areas.

Obviously, the people in the very first years of life
are not ABLE to exercise their rights to keep or bear arms.
Below an un-certain age, a citizen is not able to lift a gun, nor to talk or walk.
Below an un-certain age, NO tools, including defensive tools, can be used.


Frank Apisa wrote:
...but you have a problem with the government operating
along the lines of "...promote the general welfare...".
Yes. Government was never granted jurisdiction to interfere in that.
Such decisions and plans shud be among the citizens themselves,
not something as low as a government.

Your Article I Section 8 quote referred to taxation jurisdiction,
not to jurisdiction to curtail a citizen 's liberty.
For instance, government might have had competent jd
to raise funds by taxation for a propaganda campaign
against smoking, but not jurisdiction to grab a citizen
and rob him of his cigarettes, in the name of the "general welfare".
David


I cannot imagine how hard it must be for some of your fellow conservatives to stay quiet when you write such tripe, David. Some of them must want to so anything to stifle you from such nonsense.

In the meantime, I will continue to do my best to get you to go to further and further extremes...to show just how screwed up the extreme right can get.

Thanks for working with me on this. Wink
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 04:12 pm
@wmwcjr,
wmwcjr wrote:
@ David and Finn, . . .
Let me reiterate that I am not speaking as a liberal or a Democrat.
Granted, I was liberal when I was young; but that was before certain
stances became a litmus test for being a "good" liberal.
In my youth, I was a conservative anti-liberal; passionately.


wmwcjr wrote:
Since I am opposed to same-sex marriage and abortion on demand,
I am not welcomed into the liberal or "progressive" camp today.
I fervently support freedom of abortion on demand,
as an aspect of self defense, wherein the victim rejects a parasite.

I don t choose to obstruct freedom of homosexuals to marry.
Let them have happy lives. Its none of government 's business.
This is a CONSERVATIVE point of vu; i.e., it is fully consonant
and consistent with the tenor of liberty evinced in the Constitution.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 04:24 pm
@BillRM,
DAVID wrote:
We NEED Republicans to keep fighting Democrats
to defeat their social legislation, thereby preserving our ancient freedom
BillRM wrote:


You mean SS and medicare and minimum wage and family leave and so on?

My bet is that you David like myself are now enjoying the benefits of SS and medicare programs
that the GOP at the times of their passing fought tooth and nail.
Lemme get this straight, Bill.
Your position is that raping the Constitution is OK because I have been BRIBED?????????
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 04:31 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Your position is that raping the Constitution is OK because I have been BRIBED?????????


So SS and medicare is raping the constitution and you are or are not taking part in this rape?
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 05:07 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

maxdancona wrote:
Quite the contrary Farmerman. I want the Republican nominee to be the most radical right wing, take-no-prisoners idealogue who appeals to the smallest possble base of idiots or wealthy jagoffs.
Fortunately, most of the potential Republican candidates (other than Christie) will do just fine.

Keep in mind that, in the wake of Obama's gun control debacle, the election of a Republican president in 2016 is a virtual certainty.

I like Jeb. The Bush family is always a safe and reliable choice.

However, Mr. Christie did veto that outrageous attempt to ban .50 BMG rifles. That's worthy of support.


that's hilarious.
Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 05:40 pm
Hoboken suffered very severe damage from Sandy. Eighty percent of the city was flooded. However, it is very Dem and the Dem mayor refused to endorse Christie.

Guess what? While other areas of NJ literally got billions in aid, Hoboken got an incredible $300,000.

This seems to indicate Christie payback at its worse. Thus, it is quite believable that Fort Lee got Bridgegate as its form of payback, and that Christie was fully aware.
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 06:46 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Obviously, the people in the very first years of life
are not ABLE to exercise their rights to keep or bear arms.
Below an un-certain age, a citizen is not able to lift a gun, nor to talk or walk.
Below an un-certain age, NO tools, including defensive tools, can be used.

Interesting. How does the transition between NO tools and ALL tools work in practice?

At what age and after what sorts of background checks and training/ability certification are or should kids be allowed to use:
Sharp knives?
Guns?
Dynamite and other explosives?
Fighter aircrafts and bombers?
Atomic bombs?

You get my drift: the bigger the destructive power of the weapon, the greater the requirements, restrictions and regulations. It's sheer logic, like the fact that it takes many more hours of training to become a Boeing 747 pilot than to drive a car. It's not just that it's more complicated, it's also that many more lives are at stake.

Therefore, it makes sense to ask for more regulation of powerful automatic weapons than of small handguns.
panzade
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 08:07 pm
@anonymously99,
Quote:
Panzade. Do you understand when you're being ignored.

I'm sorry about your mental illness. I hope you get some help.
In the meantime I'll have to put you on ignore.
anonymously99
 
  0  
Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 08:12 pm
@panzade,
panzade wrote:
Quote:
"I'm sorry about your mental illness. I hope you get some help.
In the meantime I'll have to put you on ignore."


anon's response:
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 08:24 pm
@panzade,
This will sound off topic but I don't think it is. I read John Seabrook's article in the New Yorker questioning the wisdom of the great shore rebuild, not to mention the great rebuild times two. Wondering if you got a chance to read that. I don't know enough to have a stalwart opinion but I think it should have been considered for more time. This ties into the whole rebuild fast and furious money thing.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 08:40 pm
@ossobuco,
The implied trad-off of NOT rebuilding and instead going further inland would have a devastating effect on the real estate market and building industries along ALL coastlines. His article was(IMHO) not thought our well. Oren Pilkeys idea about a gradual "non panicky" pullback would have an opposite and stimulating effect.
The only problem is that most coastal states have "Coastal Zoning :Laws" that protect back bays, and tidal areas with specific flood insurance map designations.

We can always wait for the next Ice Age to keep the estuaries "at bay"
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 10:32 pm
@BillRM,
DAVID wrote:
Your position is that raping the Constitution is OK because I have been BRIBED?????????
BillRM wrote:
So SS and medicare is raping the constitution
and you are or are not taking part in this rape?
The rape whereof I wrote was the enactment of the offensive statute.
I lobbied in opposition to Medicare in the early 1960s. I was not complicit.





David
BillRM
 
  0  
Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 11:20 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I lobbied in opposition to Medicare in the early 1960s. I was not complicit.


So you are refusing to used medicare and take SS benefits?
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 11:43 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Quote:
Obviously, the people in the very first years of life
are not ABLE to exercise their rights to keep or bear arms.
Below an un-certain age, a citizen is not able to lift a gun, nor to talk or walk.
Below an un-certain age, NO tools, including defensive tools, can be used.

Interesting.

You're still refusing to learn how to properly attach the ID of the person you are quoting, to your quotes?


Olivier5 wrote:
How does the transition between NO tools and ALL tools work in practice?

At what age and after what sorts of background checks and training/ability certification are or should kids be allowed to use:
Sharp knives?
Guns?
Dynamite and other explosives?
Fighter aircrafts and bombers?
Atomic bombs?

You get my drift: the bigger the destructive power of the weapon, the greater the requirements, restrictions and regulations. It's sheer logic, like the fact that it takes many more hours of training to become a Boeing 747 pilot than to drive a car. It's not just that it's more complicated, it's also that many more lives are at stake.

Therefore, it makes sense to ask for more regulation of powerful automatic weapons than of small handguns.

Ask as often as you like. But keep in mind that any changes that you propose will have to pass muster with the NRA before they will be allowed to become US federal law.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2014 12:01 am
@blueveinedthrobber,
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
oralloy wrote:
maxdancona wrote:
Quite the contrary Farmerman. I want the Republican nominee to be the most radical right wing, take-no-prisoners idealogue who appeals to the smallest possble base of idiots or wealthy jagoffs.
Fortunately, most of the potential Republican candidates (other than Christie) will do just fine.

Keep in mind that, in the wake of Obama's gun control debacle, the election of a Republican president in 2016 is a virtual certainty.

I like Jeb. The Bush family is always a safe and reliable choice.

However, Mr. Christie did veto that outrageous attempt to ban .50 BMG rifles. That's worthy of support.

that's hilarious.

I was quite pleased with the way Mr. Christie defended the US Constitution from the attack that his state's Democratic Party was waging upon it.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2014 02:23 am
@Olivier5,
DAVID wrote:
Obviously, the people in the very first years of life
are not ABLE to exercise their rights to keep or bear arms.
Below an un-certain age, a citizen is not able to lift a gun, nor to talk or walk.
Below an un-certain age, NO tools, including defensive tools, can be used.
Olivier5 wrote:
Interesting. How does the transition between NO tools and ALL tools work in practice?
Well, with the passage of time,
there is natural mental and somatic development,
and in some cases: training with those tools. Practice makes perfect.
On the day of his birth a citizen is 1OO% defenseless, regardless
of his written Constitutional rights; even if he had a gun in his crib,
he 'd not be able to use it for lack of muscular strength and co-ordination,
as well as absence of the requisite mental development for conceptual understanding.
People can become competent with the use of tools
including defensive tools, at all different ages.
Such growth is very individual, maybe unique.


Olivier5 wrote:
At what age and after what sorts of background checks
and training/ability certification are or should kids be allowed to use:
Sharp knives?
Guns?
Dynamite and other explosives?
OK, in regard to knives,
I don t suggest that we curtail and reduce freedom more than it is now,
in that I am a libertarian; I try to promote freedom.
I recommend that concerning knives the status quo remain in effect;
i.e. parents will probably see to how well their children adapt.
No one has any authority to execute background checks
regarding anyone learning to use knives.

Concerning background checks, remember that thay serve as
the foundation for discrimination. The USSC has ruled against
discrimination in Browder v. Gayle as being violative of the
US Constitution's requirement of "equal protection of the laws"
regarding a few moments seating on a bus. Defense of one 's life
is more important than seating on buses. The 2nd Amendment deprives
government of jurisdiction qua personal weapons. Both apply.

With respect to guns, again, parents shud probably be watchful
in judging whether to equip some of their children with guns,
to make sure that thay are of sufficient mental stability
at whichever age gunnery training begins. I imagine that 's
comparable to a parent deciding when or whether to give
his child a bicycle; possibly different people at different ages.
Some people I know have refused to ride bikes or drive cars at any age.
Again, Olivier, its extremely personal and individual, rather than age-based,
in my vu. A lot depends on the willingness of the person to learn it.
Regarding age, for elucidation, let me put it this way:
the stupidest and most depraved thing a lunatic can do
is to cock a loaded revolver and give it to a week-old baby in his crib.
(He 'd probably not accept it, but . . .) u coud only expect a bad result
from that. When he can learn to handle firearms safely depends on
the Individual. I began at age 8, but in my naborhood, there was no
known age limit. I was not the youngest armed person on my block.
My nabors were better armed than I was; no trouble with anyone.

Let 's remember that defensive guns are emergency equipment,
to keep a victim alive when confronted with the predatory violence
of man or beast, i.e., the bad guy or the animal gets to choose when
his victim needs to defend his life. I cannot be more precise.



Olivier5 wrote:
Fighter aircrafts and bombers?
Atomic bombs?
That depends on the Air Force, Army or Navy.
The 2nd Amendment applies to personal, wearable weapons.


Olivier5 wrote:
You get my drift: the bigger the destructive power of the weapon, the greater the requirements, restrictions and regulations. It's sheer logic, like the fact that it takes many more hours of training to become a Boeing 747 pilot than to drive a car. It's not just that it's more complicated, it's also that many more lives are at stake.

Therefore, it makes sense to ask for more regulation of powerful automatic weapons than of small handguns.
As the USSC said in D.C. v. HELLER 554 U.S. 570 (2008), 2nd Amendment
protection might extend to include the civilian possession of M-16
automatic rifles, and the like, but analysis of that is deferred to another day.





David
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2014 11:28 am
@OmSigDAVID,
You can defer whatever to whenever. It remains that it makes sense to ask for more regulation of powerful automatic weapons than of small handguns.
Baldimo
 
  1  
Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2014 11:39 am
@Olivier5,
Automatic weapons are already illegal unless you have a Class III license. So you already have your wish, automatic weapons are already heavily regulated vs handguns and other types of rifles.
 

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