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So Saying That Folks Should Follow Christian Morals is NOW A Firing Offense

 
 
wmwcjr
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2014 09:50 pm
@BillRM,
Hmmmm . . . This also is interesting. I hadn't heard the other side. Sounds like a "he said, she said" sort of situation. Not sure whom to believe. Oh, well,
. . . http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/confused/dunno-smiley-emoticon.gif

(Notice that the smiley is wearing athletic shoes. Mr. Green )
firefly
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2014 10:16 pm
@BillRM,
I'm reposting this to correct things I can no longer edit.
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As it is GLAAD had rightly lost support for the gay right movement due to their very bad behaviors in my eyes and other eyes that is similar to the nonsense of the blacklisters of the 1950s.

Why don't you feel the same way about Faith Driven Consumers, who organized the protests and petitions against A & E and threatened to boycott the network, and it's advertisers, if A & E didn't lift the suspension imposed on Robinson?

How come it's only the LGBT and African-American advocacy groups you regard negatively, and you ignore similar, or considerably worse, behavior on the part of right-wing Christian groups. And engineer has already pointed out to you the kinds of tactics and actions those groups have engaged in to make companies fearful of expressing support for same-sex marriage.

Maybe your support of Robertson is really because you share his negative feelings about gays and blacks. You might not share his religion, but you may well share his bigotry, and I definitely think you do. You seem totally unable to realize why his remarks were offensive, and unacceptable, and why the offended groups had very legitimate reason to speak out and express outrage. And that was all they did, they never called for his firing, and yet you continue to accuse them of something they never did.

You're not supporting Robertson's right to express "religious views"--you're supporting his bigotry because you agree with it. You seem to resent all LGBT and black activist groups that speak up to protest their mistreatment, defamation, inequality, and discriminatory treatment--because you've expressed negative views about them in thread after thread. So this has little to do with Robertson, you're using his situation as an excuse to just bash these groups again, mainly because of your antipathy toward gays and blacks.

Funny, you never seem to be disturbed by the considerable pressure tactics used by the NRA and the gun lobby, even though anything the LGBT groups, or the African-American advocacy groups engage in, pales in comparison to how the NRA and gun lobby exerts mega pressure.
coldjoint
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2014 10:20 pm
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Maybe your support of Robertson is really because you share his negative feelings about gays and blacks. You might not share his religion, but you may well share his bigotry, and I definitely think you do.


Haven't we heard enough of this kind of crap yet? Stop letting race baiters control the narrative.
firefly
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2014 10:35 pm
@coldjoint,
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Stop letting race baiters control the narrative.

You'd rather let the bigots control the narrative.

This "race-baiters" term is the newest code word on the part of the far right. It's an attempt to try to demean the legitimacy of any African-Americans who voice any sort of protest, or who point out inequities in how their group is treated.

The real "race baiters" are people like you--the ones who deny that racism still exists, both covertly and overtly, and who just want the blacks to stop making noise about it, and drawing attention to it, and complaining about it.

And people, like Phil Robertson, who try to perpetuate some fairy tale that blacks were happier in pre-civil rights, Jim Crow Louisiana, because they didn't complain about the white man in those days. Ah, the good old days, when blacks knew their place. Rolling Eyes
coldjoint
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2014 10:46 pm
@firefly,
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You'd rather let the bigots control the narrative.


You don't have the information necessary to call these people bigots. It is just your way to avoid the problem. You think queers flexing their civil rights have anything to do with this?

No, what it is that Americans are being bullied into agreeing with things that most Americans believe in is bigoted. And you are at the forefront calling names and making psychiatric comments.

Homosexuals are treated equally. The government can't make you like or dislike them. And some network, or people like you, shouldn't even think about it.

In other words talking bad about them takes zero rights away.
BillRM
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2014 10:50 pm
@coldjoint,
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Quote:
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Maybe your support of Robertson is really because you share his negative feelings about gays and blacks. You might not share his religion, but you may well share his bigotry, and I definitely think you do.


Haven't we heard enough of this kind of crap yet? Stop letting race baiters control the narrative.


Coldjoint I have Firefly on ignore but I am assuming that you are quoting her above and if that is the case you can see why I do have her on ignore.

No one can disagree with her for honest and honorable reasons in her private universe.




coldjoint
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2014 10:57 pm
@BillRM,
It sure seems that way. We have a whole forum of Fireflys.
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firefly
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2014 11:00 pm
@coldjoint,
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Homosexuals are treated equally.

Not yet. It's moving in that direction, but the country isn't there yet.

You don't have to accept homosexuality, you don't have to like homosexuals, but that's not sufficient reason for the government to deny homosexuals the full range of civil rights available to heterosexuals, including the right to legally marry in all 50 states, and to receive all of the benefits that accrue to legally married couples.

We're all entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness--and the Constitution doesn't say, "Except for homosexuals."
coldjoint
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2014 11:06 pm
@firefly,
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but that's not sufficient reason for the government


The government interferes for any reason. the Constitution was supposed to protect us from that. At the least it should be the decision of the voters, and the states, and right down to municipal governments. Just like schools should be.
firefly
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2014 11:16 pm
@coldjoint,
Marriage is controlled on the state level, not the municipal level.

I have no problem with it being the decision of the voters on a state level, but the right to same-sex unions, and to equal benefits from same-sex unions, is also being affected by decisions of the courts on Constitutional grounds, and that's also valid and appropriate.

coldjoint
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2014 11:18 pm
@firefly,
Look at that. So what is with the bigot crap?
firefly
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2014 11:19 pm
@coldjoint,
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So what is with the bigot crap?

I don't know--why do you keep expressing it? Laughing
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BillRM
 
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Fri 3 Jan, 2014 05:28 am
@coldjoint,
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So what is with the bigot crap?


That kind of charge is just her charming manner.

If you take the position that .08 is too low a cut off point for charging DUI then you must be a drunken driver or if you challenge some aspects of rape laws then you must be a rapist, if you think that the current drug war is insane and the problem should be address more as a public health problem then you must be a drug addict yourself and the same for agreeing with the majority of federal judges that the sentencing guideline for child porn trading is too harsh then you must be a pedophile.

It just how she deal with anyone disagreeing with her.
coldjoint
 
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Fri 3 Jan, 2014 09:56 am
@BillRM,
Bill I see that here in so many posters. Posts consist of bigot, blah, blah. Or racist blah, blah.

There is no other reason for supporting ideas that will destroy this justice system using victimhood and group rights to trump individual choices.

And also the constant do as I say , not as I do, is getting old too.
JTT
 
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Fri 3 Jan, 2014 11:00 am
@wmwcjr,
It really was, not only a despicable thing to say, WM, all his actions, everything he did was incredibly despicable.

Have the media dropped this completely, have they never even picked it up? An nfl coach saying that, acting like that Sad
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firefly
 
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Fri 3 Jan, 2014 11:25 am
@coldjoint,
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There is no other reason for supporting ideas that will destroy this justice system using victimhood and group rights to trump individual choices.

That's what people like you said to try to keep women from getting the vote.

That's also what people like you said to try to maintain segregation in the South.

That's also what people like you said to try to prevent inter-racial marriages.

The justice system wasn't destroyed by women gaining the vote, or the elimination of segregation, or by deeming anti-miscegenation laws unconstitutional, and it's not being destroyed by the rulings on the recognition of same-sex marriage or the granting of equality to same-sex marriages.

This isn't about "group rights" it's also about individual rights--the rights of individuals to marry. Groups are made up of individuals.

We're all entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness--and the Constitution doesn't say, "Except for homosexuals."

It's a civil rights issue.
JTT
 
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Fri 3 Jan, 2014 11:28 am
@firefly,
That's also what people like you do that helps to maintain the fiction that the USA is a force for good.
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coldjoint
 
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Fri 3 Jan, 2014 11:31 am
@firefly,
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That's what people like you said to try to keep women from getting the vote.

That's also what people like you said to try to maintain segregation in the South.

That's also what people like you said to try to prevent inter-racial marriages.


That is a baseless claim. You have no idea of whet those people said or their reasons. You just keep whining and throw everyone who disagrees into your bigot and racist pool.
JTT
 
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Fri 3 Jan, 2014 11:37 am
@wmwcjr,
The real issue is, has the USA mainstream media picked up on this and given it the coverage it is due.
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JTT
 
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Fri 3 Jan, 2014 11:39 am
@firefly,
You're going all izzy again, Firefly.
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