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So Saying That Folks Should Follow Christian Morals is NOW A Firing Offense

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 12:20 pm
@IRFRANK,
IRFRANK wrote:

That link was interesting. I hadn't thought about the FAKE aspect of these guys. Another ignorant southern stereotype. Taking it all the way to the bank. This all comes into perspective now that I realize 'Phil' was just talking in character. He must be laughing his ass off.

this is probably prejudice against the South on your part, these guys are all southern, but they never appear to be ignorant, acted or real.
BillRM
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 12:41 pm
@panzade,
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All the other nonsense you wrote has nothing to do with the topic.
Here's my favorite rant about DD. Cover your ears at the 'naughty' parts


LOL and it is somehow surprising that any so call reality show is more fake then not?

Let see from so call moonshiners, to Amish mafia, to even the pawn shops shows and on and on are fake or at best have little connections to the real world.

What is however not fake is that GAALD and Jackson and such people feel that their own small special interests groups should have the power to dictate what opinions can be expressed without the person expressing them being locked out of the media for doing so, no matter how popular their shows happen to be.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 12:51 pm
@BillRM,
these guys are not fake at all, they created a brand and are fantastically successful in selling that brand. Phil gets indignant when people assume that he is an ignorant redneck, he points out that he is a millionaire with several very successful businesses as well as a university degree.
Thomas
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 01:14 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
Phil's position that homosexuals are particularly sinful and evil is not supported anywhere in the bible.

Nah, it's only a capital crime in Leviticus. (Firefly and I have been over this before.)

Leviticus 18:22: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

So the contrary of what you say is true: Phil Robertson's views are perfectly well-supported by the Bible.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 01:23 pm
@hawkeye10,
As I do not watch this show I can not state how must if at all he is playing an ignorant redneck on the show but so what in any case?

I find nothing shocking either that his family does not dress in the manner of the show in their private lives.

Nothing wrong with that unless you buy into the idea that a reality show happen to have a lot to do with reality.

That there is in fact a Amish mafia or moonshiners that are willing to commit state and federal felonies in front of cameras and so on.
Thomas
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 01:27 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
So, what on earth were they negotiating? Even if A & E had dropped Phil, which I don't think ever crossed their mind, the rest of the family couldn't likely refuse to do the show without him without risking a breach of contract suit from A & E.

What makes you so sure of that? The next season's episodes are already produced anyway, and the Robertsons have as much right as A&E to decline renewal of their contract for the season after that.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 01:32 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

As I do not watch this show I can not state how must if at all he is playing an ignorant redneck on the show but so what in any case?


I think it is like the guys branded blue collar comedy...obviously really bright guys who generally act really bright but who do some goofing on the ignorant redneck stereotype.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 01:35 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

firefly wrote:
So, what on earth were they negotiating? Even if A & E had dropped Phil, which I don't think ever crossed their mind, the rest of the family couldn't likely refuse to do the show without him without risking a breach of contract suit from A & E.

What makes you so sure of that? The next season's episodes are already produced anyway, and the Robertsons have as much right as A&E to decline renewal of their contract for the season after that.
plus there are reports that the family wrote some unusual out clauses into the contract, which i find easy to believe. They never fully trusted Hollywood, and are too smart to get locked into being abused by Hollywood destroying their brand with anti redneck editing.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 01:41 pm
@maxdancona,
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Christian Morals!?!?

I was just reading about this guy. I don't understand why Christians would stand up for such a loud-mouthed fool.


Simply because Phil Robertson appeals to a crowd who think and believe the exact way as he does, and let's face it, most Fundamentalists Christians (not all) in his world believe exactly what he is saying, that Gays will copulate with animals and blacks enjoyed working in the fields under the blazing sun because they had their religion and were godly. I cannot envision any black who were enamored of slavery while doing back grinding work in the hot blinding sun.

In a previous tape he was more explicit regarding Gays; he also referred to himself as "white trash" working in the fields with the blacks.

These ignoramuses are best left ignore. But that's just it, they have a wide audience and this is one of the reasons A&E cut the suspension short.....ratings.
BillRM
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 01:53 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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that Gays will copulate with animals


Where oh where did he state any such thing as once more you and people like you feel the need to add to the story for some strange reason.

He did placed them in the same class as someone who would copulate with animals or have sex out of wedlock for that matter as far as the bible in concern.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 02:01 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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These ignoramuses are best left ignore. But that's just it, they have a wide audience and this is one of the reasons A&E cut the suspension short.....ratings.


they also have a lot of people who agree with them, and even more who think that they should speak their minds if they want to because freedom is the reason America exists. the elite are no longer very much respected, the days when you and your class could choose to ignore everyone whom you consider to be too ignorant to speak to you are over.
Germlat
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 02:15 pm
@Thomas,
Does anyone realize this stuff is scripted? All about pressing buttons and sensationalism.
IRFRANK
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 02:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
You missed the part where I said stereotype. That's not my appraisal. I have many southern friends that are fine people. I didn't said these guys were ignorant.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 02:18 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:

Does anyone realize this stuff is scripted?
If A&E's partners find out this was all a goof there will be hell to pay....Cracker Barrel for instance is already having major problems with their business, they need this turmoil like they need a hole in the head.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 02:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Moment-in-Time wrote:
These ignoramuses are best left ignored. But that's just it, they have a wide audience and this is one of the reasons A&E cut the suspension short.....ratings.


hawkeye10 wrote:
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they also have a lot of people who agree with them, and even more who think that they should speak their minds....


"Mind"? You describe Phil Robertson as speaking from a mind?! Sounds more to me like an blubbering moron from the Appalachia mountains who has never read a book. But hey, I'll give them their due. They need religion as a crutch to make up for so many inadequacies.

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... if they want to because freedom is the reason America exists.


Oh yes, there is freedom in America with certain restraints. There are laws against hate crimes, etc. A company also has the right to ignore those who practice hate speech that is highly inflammatory against others.

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the elite are no longer very much respected, the days when you and your class could choose to ignore everyone whom you consider to be too ignorant to speak to you are over.


The "elite" is a state of mind, probably more so in yours than mine. I consider myself an ordinary working female, and do not fit the image you imagine an elite fills.
firefly
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 02:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
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these guys are not fake at all, they created a brand and are fantastically successful in selling that brand. Phil gets indignant when people assume that he is an ignorant redneck, he points out that he is a millionaire with several very successful businesses as well as a university degree.

That's exactly why the entire premise of the show is fake. Have you ever watched it?

The whole shtick is that these guys are rednecks who suddenly became millionaires--so it is meant to play off stereotypes of rednecks, Southerners, rural folks--and poor country folk who suddenly have loads of money but don't seem to be spending much of it, or having their lifestyle affected much by it.

These people really aren't rednecks, they have carefully crafted their image of the long bushy beards, headbands, camouflage gear, etc. as costumes for their iconoclastic characters to make themselves look more off-beat, and their businesses couldn't possibly run in the lackadaisical way that's depicted in this show, which mainly consists of some family members sitting around, in a dumpy office, shooting the breeze with each other. Apart from the enormous amounts of leisure time these folks have, and the one image of an impressive house that's shown, we're supposed to believe that all their millions really don't affect them at all, and this is the way they live because they prefer the simple life. Right, money doesn't matter to them. They just want to be paid $200,000 for each half hour episode because money doesn't matter. Rolling Eyes

The whole thing is the premise for what's considered a family comedy show couched in the trappings of "reality" TV. And each of those half hour episodes focuses on a "set-up"--a contrived, scripted, generally innocuous situation so the family can be shown interacting in various ways, generally involving humor. This isn't a glimpse into the real everyday lives of these people, it's a carefully edited and creative format to convey that impression, but it's essentially fake. Everything about it is shaped to present these people as likeable--oddball, but likeable, and full of Southern charm and colorful ways of expressing themselves.

And, what Robertson did in his GQ comments was to depart from the way he is depicted in that "Duck Dynasty" world. It's one thing for him, and his family, to be shown as people of faith on DD, and thankful to God for their blessings, but it's quite another to have the patriarch then express that faith in a way that reveals animosity and contempt for others. Robertson crossed a line with those GQ comments--a line that is directly at odds with what DD is designed to depict. He created a dilemma both for A & E, as well as for the rest of the Robertson clan, because he threatened the image of a show that all of them had a vested interest in keeping non-controversial and lucrative.

What's been learned? I suspect Robertson will now be more circumspect in his off-show comments, and that A & E will do more to make sure he stays that way.

There's a big divide between the carefully crafted fake reality of Duck Dynasty and the reality of what Phil Robertson actually thinks. And, if both sides want to keep this cash cow going, it's better if Robertson keeps his opinions on social, and cultural, and historical issues to himself. I suspect he knows that now too.
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"The family is happy that they can put this behind them," a source tells PEOPLE.

"It got a little out of hand," the source admits. "Phil has never been disrespectful to anyone and treats everyone with kindness. He made some comments off the cuff that he shouldn't have made, and he knows that."

The source says that the headlines didn't cause any drama among the family, who all support their dad.

"The family knows his heart and knows that he wasn't trying to be hurtful," says the source. "They just want to finish celebrating the holidays and are looking forward to getting back to work."
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20770461,00.html

While all of the publicity has been good for the DD show, really great for the show, acrimonious controversy isn't. That's why A & E had to end it with a final decision about the future of the show, and some appeasement of the LGBT community, which they do support. The angry noise coming from conservative and religious right-wing groups, in support of Phil, was as damaging to the light-heated image of Duck Dynasty, as the voices of protest coming from the offended groups. They had to try to shut up both sides, so that Duck Dynasty could go back to being a non-serious enterprise put on for entertainment value. Hopefully, they've accomplished that.

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firefly
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 03:03 pm
@Thomas,
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What makes you so sure of that? The next season's episodes are already produced anyway, and the Robertsons have as much right as A&E to decline renewal of their contract for the season after that.

In August, the Robertsons signed a multi-year contract with A & E, so they committed themselves beyond the new season. Both parties are apparently happy with their mutually beneficial working relationship, and want to continue it.

And, that's also why I don't think A & E ever had serious intention of getting rid of Phil, and the kinds of opinions he expressed in the GQ article are not the sorts of things anyone on Duck Dynasty expresses. I think A & E, and the Robertsons, both had to have some time to do damage control, because both parties have a strong interest in keeping this cash cow going--and real life acrimonious controversy is at odds with the light-hearted premise of this show, which is formatted to be family comedy, and entertainment, and it's not intended to stir up serious social controversy.

The Robertsons, as well as A & E, had to sort out their priorities, and cooperation with each other was in the best financial interests of both--Phil Robertson did not protest his sham suspension, that's something no one seems to have noticed. He went along with it. He didn't attack A & E. In the end, both the Robertsons and A & E showed that money is their main priority, and they don't want to stop this duck from laying golden eggs. Business is business.
BillRM
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 03:11 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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"Mind"? You describe Phil Robertson as speaking from a mind?! Sounds more to me like an blubbering moron from the Appalachia mountains who has never read a book. But hey, I'll give them their due. They need religion as a crutch to make up for so many inadequacies.


Yes, a man with a master degree who is also been able to earn millions in businesses he founded over his lifetime. Some morom!!!!!!!

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There are laws against hate crimes, etc.


Damn first amendment that keep people like you from having hate speech laws.

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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 03:22 pm
@firefly,
no doubt this guy is not as much an expert as is our Firefly but interesting none the less:

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"This is not the kind of controversy they want on this show that's supposed to be about good, God-fearing, hard-working, likeable sorts of folks," Robert Thompson, professor of television and pop culture at Syracuse University, told Yahoo TV.

http://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/tv-news/-duck-dynasty--drama--controversy-continues-to-build-over-phil-robertson-s-homosexuality-remarks-180934306.html
IRFRANK
 
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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 04:01 pm
I wonder what Pa from the Beverly Hillbillies would think about all of this.
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