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So Saying That Folks Should Follow Christian Morals is NOW A Firing Offense

 
 
firefly
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 03:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
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A&E next to retract their punishment?

What "punishment"? A meaningless "suspension?

So far, A & E hasn't done anything to either affect Robertson's earnings or his employment with them.

Re-runs of Duck Dynasty are being shown, and the next season has been completed and will begin airing next month. By the time they decide what to do moving forward after that, no one except die-hard fans of the show will be interested.

Stop with the strawmen already.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 03:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
Last paragraph from the original report in Marketing Land
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An alternative URL for the petition, http://www.faithdrivenconsumer.com/istandwithphil, wasn’t being blocked. So, the problem was related specifically to the istandwithphil.com domain.

Faith Consumer also said this was the third major shutdown of a pro-Phil Robertson social media account but didn’t say what the other two were. Technically, this wasn’t a shutdown of a social media account. It was Twitter blocking a URL — which didn’t look good — but Twitter hadn’t blocked the actual account behind the URL, Faith Consumer.
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hawkeye10
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 03:38 pm
@firefly,
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What "punishment"? A meaningless "suspension?

when you get cut out of your family home movies for alleged misbehavior and dont consider it a punishment then you let me know.
firefly
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 04:24 pm
@hawkeye10,
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when you get cut out of your family home movies for alleged misbehavior and dont consider it a punishment then you let me know.

He hasn't been removed, or edited out of, any of the episodes--not the re-runs currently airing, and not the next season that's already been taped and will begin airing next month. And A & E said they have no intention of editing him out of those episodes.

The alleged "suspension" is meaningless--he's not being "punished" in any way by A & E.

So far, A & E hasn't done anything to affect Robertson's earnings, or his employment with them, or his visibility on episodes of Duck Dynasty.

You'll have to find a new strawman.
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 04:40 pm
@firefly,
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You'll have to find a new strawman.

the last episode will need to be filmed soon, and the contracts for next year need to be written, and as it stands now Phil will not get one. Also, we dont know how the payouts go, and that the suspension does not change his pay this year, you as per usual are claiming facts that dont exist.

A public reprimand and a removal from future operations is a punishment by any reasonable definition of "punishment", but we all know that you use your own personal private definitions for words.
MontereyJack
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 04:44 pm
hawkeye says
when you get cut out of your family home movies for alleged misbehavior and dont consider it a punishment then you let me know.

They're not his "home movies". They're A&E's productions, filmed on their equipment, edited by their employees and financed by their investment, done under contract to them. They're their property, to be done with as they wish. That's free enterprise for you.

And as someone brought up, groups like the Family Research Council, and other right wing pressure groups have incessantly over the years called for boycotts of advertisers and networks and performers they disliked, who didn't espouse a conservative enough line for them, and calls for those in disfavor with them to be removed from the air. Tjey've demanded the abrogation of free speech for decades. It's major league two-faced of them now to get all huffy about ducky dopes.
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 04:49 pm
@MontereyJack,
wrong, the show is made by a production company, and Phils contract is not with A&E.

Given your demontrated lack of understanding of what is going on why should we pay any attention to your opinions?

edit: to be clear, I am opposed to all efforts to limit conversation, no matter the claimed motives or political affiliation.
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MontereyJack
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 05:00 pm
Doesn't make any difference. They're still not his "home movies". It's highly doubtful he provided the capital to produce them, and it's pretty certain A&E had no legal duty to show them. I was in the media for years, and broadcast licensees have always had the right to determine what they air, and final responsibility for it--that right inheres in the owner of the station, not the people on the program. That's the law.

And to repeat, the right wing has for decades tried to throttle the voices of people whose views they disliked. It's a little late for them to bitch now if the shoe's on the other foot. That's the American way--what goes around comes around.
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 05:05 pm
@MontereyJack,
I am a self described zen socialist who thinks that both parties need to be eliminated, I carry no water for conservatives.
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MontereyJack
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 05:09 pm
I've yet to see anything at all zen-like in anything you post. Try defining why you've co-opted the term.
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 05:11 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

I've yet to see anything at all zen-like in anything you post. Try defining why you've co-opted the term.

" no work, no eat"
"theory without ratification through life experience is useless"

ok. there are two...
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MontereyJack
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 05:24 pm
Not anybody's conception of zen other than you.
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 05:38 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

Not anybody's conception of zen other than you.

again you show why you rightfully should be ignored, you cant speak for anyone besides yourself, yet you claim otherwise.
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MontereyJack
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 05:49 pm
I apparently know more about zen than you do., and that's nothing like the zen practicioners I've read.
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 06:27 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

I apparently know more about zen than you do., and that's nothing like the zen practicioners I've read.
if you feel strongly about the subject then start a hawkeye's understanding of zen thread, this one is about the duck dude and the red/blue divide in America. I get really tired of constant attempts to divert threads that I am in towards discussions about me.
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firefly
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 06:42 pm
@hawkeye10,
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the last episode will need to be filmed soon, and the contracts for next year need to be written, and as it stands now Phil will not get one. Also, we dont know how the payouts go, and that the suspension does not change his pay this year, you as per usual are claiming facts that dont exist.

A public reprimand and a removal from future operations is a punishment by any reasonable definition of "punishment", but we all know that you use your own personal private definitions for words.

They have all been paid for work that has already been completed.

A & E had a perfect right to distance themselves from the remarks he made. So, big deal if they did that, and gave him what amounts to a meaningless suspension, "A public reprimand"--if that's what you consider it--is within their right as his employer, particularly since he's identified with their brand.

Look, A & E doesn't have to re-new the contract with the Robertsons, any more than the Robertsons have to re-new their contract with A & E. Any decisions about that, are the private affairs of the two sides directly involved.

You are all about promoting "victims", at the same time you hypocritically decry "the victim culture". You're now trying to promote duck duke as some sort of "victim" of corporate practices, simply so you can get up on a soapbox and veer off into one of your usual hot-air farts about the decline of democracy, the disappearance of "freedom", etc.

Look, Robertson is a reality show commodity. The same corporate entity that hired him, and enabled him to become a media reality show star, can get rid of him if his liabilities outweigh his utility to them, or if his profitability to them declines. That's the reality of the world Robertson is employed in. He's disposable at any time he either violates his contract, or A & E decides not to renew it. This has nothing to do with his freedom of expression, those are the rules of the game he's decided to play in.

Robertson made comments that put A & E in an awkward position. The comments were offensive remarks about both homosexuals and blacks, although the latter has received considerably less publicity. The network didn't want to be associated with those comments, or to be seen as an endorser of those remarks. They made that clear in a statement, and announced a rather meaningless "suspension" which seems no more than a way of buying time so they can decide how to move forward, or how to do more damage control, before beginning to film another season after the new season begins airing in January. They haven't yet made any decision that really changes their relationship with Robertson, or his presence on Duck Dynasty, in any way. But, when they do finally make a decision about that, it's their private business decision to make, for whatever reason they want to make it.

Robertson is not the "victim" of anything. A lot of people found his comments offensive. I'm neither black nor gay, and I found his comments offensive. If this man is too dumb, or too lacking in social sensibility, or too encapsulated in his own parochial world, to understand why his comments were offensive, and why they might negatively influence some people's opinions of him, including his employer's opinion of him, and he's not willing to consider and accept those repercussions, that's just too bad. Other people will react to what he says. He can voice any provocative opinions he wants to, no one is denying that, but people, including his employer, with whom he is identified, may well react, and in ways he might not like. That's just too bad. That's reality. So far, about all A & E has actually done is to distance themselves from his remarks. What else they might decide to do, or not do, is entirely their business.

If Robertson doesn't like being a cable vision commodity/personality, and experiencing possible employment consequences for his controversial remarks, he can always go back to just making duck whistles, and no one will really care about anything he says. When it comes to reality TV shows, the cable networks giveth, and the cable networks can taketh away. It's a business.

So, stop trying to promote this man as a victim. Some "victim"--his reality show has gotten massive free publicity, just as the new season is about to start, and his licensed apparel has been selling out of stores. Laughing Boy is he suffering. Laughing






hawkeye10
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 07:08 pm
@firefly,
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They have all been paid for work that has already been completed.
says who?

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A & E doesn't have to re-new the contract with the Robertsons,

A&E has no contract with the family to re-new.

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Look, Robertson is a reality show commodity.
this is a real family, and they dont swing that way. they have been consistent that selling themselves is low on their priority list, selling their way of life is high, selling duck calls is high, selling crap is cool.....but they have been clear that if you dont like them that is fine by them.

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This has nothing to do with his freedom of expression, those are the rules of the game he's decided to play in.
Phil has been clear that he understands that Holliwood does not get or support his way of life, and that he considered doing this show to be a conflict between what he calls the lack a values of those people and the values of his faith. I think this guy understands the game, but we will see how it plays out.

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When it comes to reality TV shows, the cable networks giveth, and the cable networks can taketh away. It's a business.
the robertsons can choose to walk away, to sabotage the $80 million a year profit that they generate for A&E....and they just might.
firefly
 
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Wed 25 Dec, 2013 08:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
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this is a real family, and they dont swing that way. they have been consistent that selling themselves is low on their priority list...

The Khardashians are a real family too. So is the family on Honey Boo Boo. These people are all selling themselves--they have all chosen to make themselves reality show commodities--including the Robertsons--and they all do it for MONEY.
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Phil has been clear that he understands that Holliwood does not get or support his way of life...

This has nothing to do with "Hollywood"--the strange world of cable reality TV is based more on a type of voyeuristic appeal than anything else, and a large percentage of these programs seem devoted to people behaving badly, that's part of their appeal. If anything, cable reality TV simply promotes any type of voyeuristic enterprise they think people will watch, and they turn these folks into pop icon celebrities. Robertson's opinions, about anything in the way of social issues, are no more important than Snooki's from the Jersey Shore reality show.
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I think this guy understands the game, but we will see how it plays out....

This man knows the game he's playing, and he understands this game.

This man is no backwater hick from rural Louisiana. Among other things, he's got a master's degree in education. He's also a successful businessman, and the visibility and "fame" that his reality TV show has given him has greatly increased the profits of his business and helped him to expand his business empire. He's not just doing a reality show to promote his faith-based lifestyle--it's about the MONEY. And these people know how to market themselves.
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Phil Robertson net worth: Phil Robertson is an American hunting enthusiast, businessman and reality television star who has a net worth of $15 million.
Phil Robertson is the patriarch of the Robertson family which owns and operates a multi-million dollar hunting accessory company called Duck Commander....

In 1972, Phil was inspired to invent a new kind of duck hunting call that was a vast improvement over the standard call at the time. The Duck Commander Duck Call eventually became the gold standard duck whistle among professional hunters. Today Phil owns and operates the business alongside his four sons, and wife Kay who have all helped turn Duck Commander into a thriving multi-million dollar business empire that includes DVDs, merchandise, books and more...

Prior to the success of their reality show, the Robertson's company sold roughly 60,000 Duck Commaneder calls per year. In 2012 they sold 600,000...
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/phil-robertson-net-worth/

So, the A & E program, by providing them with visibility and a platform, is integral to helping them increase the sale of all of their other items--as is the case with the Khardashians and the E Network, as was the case with Paula Dean and the Food Network. These pop icons need that TV platform, because without it, they begin to fade into oblivion, and their brands lose value. A & E can simply put on another program, and one that might draw even more viewers. These media created pop icons are selling themselves, their "image" and if they damage their own brand, by remarks they make, or a network chooses to drop them, or not renew their contracts, they will lose the visibility they need to keep promoting their other business interests.

And, under the terms of their arrangement with A & E, the Robertson clan cannot just pick up and move to another network, there must be a certain time interval before that happens, and I don't know if the specific terms of that arrangement are publicly known.

So, as a fairly successful businessman, Phil Robertson had to know what can of worms he was opening with the comments he made to GQ magazine. Not only is not a "victim"--in any way--this might have been a planned publicity stunt on his part. How it will all play out, remains to be seen. I don't really care. I don't watch Duck Dynasty.






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firefly
 
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Thu 26 Dec, 2013 01:10 pm
This is where the really BIG MONEY with Duck Dynasty is...$400 million in merchandise sales--and A & E has the licensing rights for it.
Funny how this brouhaha erupted just as the big Christmas and year-end shopping season began. Rolling Eyes
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Clare O'Connor, Forbes Staff
11/06/2013
Duck Dynasty's Brand Bonanza: How A&E (And Walmart) Turned Camo Into $400 Million Merchandise Sales

If you live south of the Mason-Dixon, you won’t have been able to miss the irrepressible creep of camouflage into homes and wardrobes in recent months. Even if you’re not a fan of A&E’s reality hit Duck Dynasty, you probably recognize the bayou-based cast, the Robertson family, with their stars-and-stripes bandanas and trademark long beards.

For legions of devoted viewers — 11.8 million for August’s season premiere, a reality TV record – these duck-hunters-turned-millionaires are the new faces of the American Dream. And boy, do their faces move merchandise.

By the end of 2013, Duck Dynasty product tie-ins will have raked in a massive $400 million in revenues according to industry sources. Sales in Walmart alone account for about half of that bounty, with some stores devoting entire aisles to Robertson-themed merchandise. Other major chains selling Duck Dynasty goods include Target and Kohl's.

“Growth has been phenomenal,” said Kate Winn, A&E’s senior vice president of consumer products, who’s overseen the speedy rollout of all things camouflage. “We’ve seen 50% growth in revenues quarter by quarter.”

Duck Dynasty debuted in spring 2012, but didn’t “pop”, to use Winn’s term, until a special holiday episode in December last year. Both A&E and Walmart pounced, with the help of Brandgenuity, a branding agency overseeing more than 75 licensing deals for everything from rain boots to antibacterial bandages.

Walmart was the first major retailer to recognize the money-making potential of the Robertsons, cementing a relationship back when they were simply the offbeat Louisiana clan behind Duck Commander, their family business, a successful manufacturer of duck calls crafted from cedar.

At Walmart’s annual shareholders conference in June, the retail giant announced that their bestselling piece of apparel across every category over the past year — men’s, women’s and children’s — was a Duck Dynasty graphic t-shirt. At the time, products based on the show could be found in six Walmart departments. Today that number is 13 and growing.

Walmart stocks “hundreds” of the 1,200 pieces of Robertson paraphernalia now available, said a spokesperson; new Duck Dynasty merchandise aimed at holiday shoppers will be hitting 2,800 of their stores this week. There’ll be a focus on stocking stuffers, like headphones, earbuds, and USB drives, as well as cast member / sage uncle Si Robertson’s bestselling book Si-cology. In total, said Winn, there’ll be 100 brand new Duck Dynasty products on shelves between now and Christmas.

Universal Music is in on the action too, having teamed up with A&E to record Duck The Halls, an album of holiday music featuring the Robertsons singing songs with names like ‘Ragin’ Cajun Redneck Christmas’ alongside the likes of guest acts George Strait and Allison Krauss. The album looks set to debut on Billboard’s top 10 this coming weekend.

Not to be left out, Hallmark will be shilling greeting cards and ornaments adorned with the cast’s faces and catchphrases.

One might reasonably ask how a show based on a duck call company in West Monroe, Louisiana became a retail business worth hundreds of millions of dollars. For Charlie Anderson, CEO of retail marketing agency Shoptology, the answer is tied to Walmart’s demographic.

“The cast members pray at the end of the show,” he said. “That’s very Middle America and resonates with Walmart customers. It’s the rural consumer. It’s the American dream: they made themselves into millionaires. Yet people working for $8 an hour can still relate to them.”

Anderson noted that retailers are often hesitant to jump on board with such bold characters. “Look at what happened with Paula Deen,” he said, referring to the Southern chef’s racism scandal and resulting loss of lucrative partnerships. “It’s a huge risk, taking on personalities. The Duck Dynasty guys have flaws, but they’re wholesome.”

Michael Stone, CEO of licensing agency Beanstalk, said the success of Duck Dynasty as a brand echoes that of Comedy Central’s cartoon mega-hit South Park in the early 2000s. For a few years, the show’s “I killed Kenny” catchphrase was as ubiquitous on bumper stickers and t-shirts as the Robertson’s “Happy, Happy, Happy” is becoming today.

“South Park broke onto the landscape, and the merchandise was unbelievably popular,” said Stone. “It was fresh, and new — you couldn’t put it on the shelves fast enough. It appealed to adults, and you rarely get a licensed property that appeals to adults. But the American population is very fickle. They still watch the show, but the merchandise is finished.”

He advised A&E to “make hay while the sun shines,” raking in as much as they can this quarter. “They definitely have enough steam for the holiday season, but it’s a merchandising fad, and I’ve seen it before,” he said.

Andy Topkins, a partner at A&E’s licensing agency Brandgenuity, sees the show’s wholesome appeal across ages and genders as part of the reason for the whopping revenues it generates.

“We realized the show was about much more than just duck hunting,” he said. “If you’re based in New York, you’re not exactly the sweet spot for the show. But even if you’re not a hunter and don’t live that lifestyle, you can still find the show funny. Part of the appeal is the Southern lifestyle, and their redneck humor is a huge part of it.”

Topkins is capitalizing on the show’s 50/50 male-female viewership breakdown by signing on licensees who make products aimed at women and kids. He singled out the cookbook Miss Kay’s Duck Commander Kitchen, co-written by a cast member and full of recipes for crawfish fettucine and sweet potato pie, as a prime example.

Next up: products for the casual outdoorsman — that is, not a serious hunter or fisherman, but perhaps a fan of the show inspired to give camping a try. Think branded Igloo coolers, said Topkins, as well as Duck Dynasty fishing rods and reels by Zebco.

Topkins agrees that eventually Duck Dynasty will hit a saturation point in the merchandise market, but it hasn’t happened yet. With this holiday season expected to be the brand’s biggest quarter to date, there’s no immediate end in sight. “We’re turning down licensing opportunities,” he said. “People can’t get enough products.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2013/11/06/duck-dynastys-brand-bonanza-how-ae-and-walmart-turned-camo-into-400-million-merchandise-sales/


So, it's actually to A & E's advantage to create a reaction that will impel even more shoppers to rush out and buy even more DD merchandise, to show support for the duck clan.

And, just to make sure that, during this massive publicity windfall, everyone gets a chance to watch DD, A & E just ran a day and a half long marathon of DD re-runs. And the already completed new season is slated to start airing in January, with Phil Robertson. So, A & E doesn't really have to decide how to move forward until the Spring, when all this noise will have died down.

I think A & E knows what it's doing...



hawkeye10
 
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Thu 26 Dec, 2013 04:05 pm
@firefly,
the $400 million number was put out before the current dust up, and is almost certainly under estimated....Walmart sold out of most of its Duck Stuff in the last two weeks.

but I dont think that money motivates this family much, they were between their assorted companies clearing $20 million a year (wages and profit) before A&E made DD big and certainly they have plenty of money now, I'll bet this is a big problem for A&E as they try to force the family into compliance with their will.

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"When big, powerful TV executives ask a star to apologize for what they deem inappropriate comments or behavior, the star simply complies,” writes Lee Habeeb, a Mississippi-based vice president at the Christian-themed Salem Radio Network. “But the TV gods never met a man like Phil Robertson. Or his family.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2013/1226/Duck-Dynasty-Will-I-Stand-With-Phil-petition-work
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