Iran nuclear deal signed in Geneva

@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

The US and UK played only a small role in the coup.

Nonsense as always. You really have an aversion to truth. From Wiki.

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Classified documents show that British intelligence officials played a pivotal role in initiating and planning the coup, and that the AIOC contributed $25,000 towards the expense of bribing officials

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

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@Baldimo,

Ever been in an industrial site that has large machinery like centrifuges? To argue that they could be shut down, moved, all evidence of them having been there removed in 24 days is ridiculous. Let alone the time it would take to set them up again to get them working at full capacity again. We haven't even started with the radioactive substances that would need to be moved without leaving a single trace.

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What if after 3 weeks they do not want to grant access to a site?

Then Iraq would be in breach of the agreement and all the sanctions would snap back. It would be as if we had no agreement at all. The difference would be that Iraq would have less enriched uranium and fewer centrifuges so would be much farther from getting the bomb than it is today.

Once again, I remind you that not having access to a site doesn't mean they can't sit outside the site and watch comings and goings. It's rather hard to move all this equipment without it being noticed

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@parados,

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I remind you that not having access to a site doesn't mean they can't sit outside the site and watch comings and goings.

And this is possible because Iran is such an easy country to move around in, especially for foreigners.

Remember know one knows how far Iran has gotten at this point, and only a fool would take their word for it.

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@parados,

The requirements ofr a cycle of U enrichment by cascade centrifuging reqyires thousands of gas cebtrifuges (The kind that Iran is using) and this has to go on as they slowly up the concentration of U "HF6" to bomb specs. Itll be quite easy to trck U HF6 gas centrifuges since they hve isotope "prints'

Then, even if they manage to slip away, we can spot the reaction points where the UHF6 has to be turned back into metal by Ca treatment. Obviously, if they want to hide their works, Id move it to limestone areas of the country (the Ca treat facilities are easy to pick up on satellite)

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@coldjoint,

Gosh, it is too bad the US doesn't have satellites capable of reading license plates from space.

You keep not thinking, Pinkie. It's what you are good at.

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@farmerman,

Not only would they have to dismantle and move the centrifuges in 24 days. They would have to move the uranium hexafluoride gas as well. All of this while leaving no trace and no sign visible to outside viewers or US spy satellites. While it might be possible for them to do that, it might also be possible that Iran currently has 2000 nuclear warhead.

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Bottom line. The West is appeasing Iran. It will get us closer to war, which does not have to be nuclear, does it?

The money that rolls in from sanction relief is the same as funding terrorism. Obama fucked up.

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@coldjoint,

As our power declines our aspirations must as well. I think the goal here is to motive Iran to be a more responsible regional power. Another thing that is pretty clear is that the US through better ties with Iran has gotten them to pull back from supporting Assad, which will likely result in his fall. I dont think that this helps Syria, as Assad is much better than ISIS, but degrading Middle Eastern and African nations is something that we have gotten good at.

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@hawkeye10,

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I think the goal here is to motive Iran to be a more responsible regional power.

We already know the regime is run by Twelvers. Responsibility for Armageddon is what they want.

It is a shame there will be no MSM left to blame it on something else than Islam.

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@hawkeye10,

Still no news on the Bahraini fleets, or anything else to back up your fancies?

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WHAT OBAMA IS DOING TO ISRAEL IS WORSE THAN WHAT FDR DID TO THE JEWS DURING THE HOLOCAUST
FDR DENIED ENTRY TO JEWISH REFUGEES TRYING TO ESCAPE THE NAZIS.

AND FDR DECIDED AGAINST BOMBING THE RAILWAYS THAT WERE TAKING JEWS TO THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS.

FDR DIDN'T LIKE JEWS AND HE EASILY IGNORED THEIR PLIGHT AND KEPT HIS SIGHTS ON DEFEATING THE AXIS.

OBAMA HAS BEEN HOSTILE TO ISRAEL SINCE DAY ONE.

IT IS PART OF HIS POSTMODERN LEFTIST CORE - BEING AN ACOLYTE OF EDWARD SAID AND A PAL OF RASHID KHALID AND BILL AYERS AND A FOLLOWER OF REV WRIGHT, ALL VIRULENT ANTIZIONISTS.

OBAMA OVERTLY SUPPORTED THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD IN EGYPT AND THE PLO'S EFFORT TO PUSH ISRAEL BACK INTO ITS 1967 BORDERS INCLUDING HALF OF JERUSALEM.

EACH EFFORT BROUGHT ISRAEL'S ENEMIES A STEP CLOSER TO BEING ABLE TO DELIVER A MORTAL BLOW AGAINST ISRAEL.

AND WHEREAS FDR FOUGHT THE AXIS WITH NO HOLDS BARRED, OBAMA HAS WEAKENED AND HAMPERED OUR ABILITY TO ERADICATE THE ENEMY.

BUT IT'S WORSE.

NOW OBAMA HAS CAPITULATED TO IRAN, ISRAEL'S MOST FORMIDABLE, EVEN EXISTENTIAL ENEMY.

BY GIVING IRAN A PATHWAY TO NUCLEAR BOMBS, AND $150 BILLION, OBAMA HAS GIVEN ISRAEL'S CHIEF ENEMY THE MEANS TO COMPLETELY ERADICATE IT, KILL ALL JEWS IN ISRAEL, A GOAL WHICH THEY PROCLAIM THEY WANT TO ACHIEVE EVERY WEEK WITH THEIR CHANTS, "DEATH TO ISRAEL!"

THIS IS LIKE PUTTING ISRAEL'S 6 MILLION JEWS ON CATTLE-CARS, AND SENDING THEM TO AUSCHWITZ.

WHEREAS FDR'S SINS WERE SINS OF OMISSION, BECAUSE HE FAILED TO DO WHAT HE COULD HAVE DONE, OBAMA HAS ACTIVELY ASSISTED ISRAEL'S MORTAL FOES.

SURELY THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A MORE DESPICABLE OR EVIL PRESIDENT.

IF CONGRESS FAILS TO SHOW OBAMA THEY DISAGREE WITH HIS CAPITULATION TO IRAN, THEN THEY ARE COMPLICIT.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2015/07/what-obama-is-doing-to-israel-is-worse.html

Anyone here care about Israel?

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

As our power declines our aspirations must as well.

Our power is not declining. We may be noticing the limits of our power, but that does not mean that the power we have is somehow less than it was before.

We remain a superpower. And we remain the world's only superpower.

hawkeye10 wrote:

Another thing that is pretty clear is that the US through better ties with Iran has gotten them to pull back from supporting Assad, which will likely result in his fall.

I haven't seen this, but it will be cool if you are correct.

hawkeye10 wrote:

I dont think that this helps Syria, as Assad is much better than ISIS, but degrading Middle Eastern and African nations is something that we have gotten good at.

No. Assad is much worse than Islamic State.

Islamic State will have to be dealt with. But it would be very nice if Assad and his wife were to fall into the hands of the Syrian people before that happens.

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@parados,

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Gosh, it is too bad the US doesn't have satellites capable of reading license plates from space.

Not quite that good. More like 4 inches per pixel for the satellites that require clear weather to see, and 10 inches per pixel for the satellites that can see through cloud cover.

A spyplane like a U2 or SR71 can get images of 1 inch per pixel.

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You keep not thinking, Pinkie. It's what you are good at.

Wouldn't your points be made better without the inclusion of pointless insults?

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@oralloy,

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Wouldn't your points be made better without the inclusion of pointless insults?

Look at it for what it is. It is ridicule. It exposes the tactic and the double standard in its use. When liberal, progressives, anti -Americans use it it is OK. When someone like a conservative or anyone who disagrees does it, it makes them a troll.

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@oralloy,

we have satellites with hyperspectral imaging capabilities. We can read isotope clouds and Ca treatment sites for conversion of enriched UF6 back to metal.
We dont need to be doing LIDAR scnning from pace when we can follow chemical fingerprints. e can do mineral exploration from pace and that was by courtesy of the military having the toys provided them by USGS and some research institutions being funded by the oil companies. Sometimes militry contractors discover it an other times private industry contractor discover it. In all cases really, its the private sector doing it for pofit.

You know (I think youre familiar with facilities like Y12 or pantex or Rocky Flats. so you know that , for every activity involved in a nuke enrichment program there is a "special atmospheric sauce" that helps identify the activity. That is why, when detecting a gaseous UF6 centrifuge cascade, Be10 and a stable isotope of Molybdenum and a few others are also carried along. All this is detectable by hyperspectral imaging.

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@oralloy,

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Another thing that is pretty clear is that the US through better ties with Iran has gotten them to pull back from supporting Assad, which will likely result in his fall.

I haven't seen this, but it will be cool if you are correct.

conventional wisdom is this this deal will free up money and allow the import of arms that can be sent to assad. The problem with this theory is that money will not change the fact that Assads forces are dong very poorly militarily and as I understand it the arms could not flow for 5 years. Assad will not be around in 5 years, the way things are going it is not a good bet that he will still be around this time next year.

What I expect to happen is Iran with some help from Putin becomes the king maker for the post Assad regime, and they will continue to poor money and what ever military aid they can into Syria to do what they can to prevent ISIS from making Damascus their capital. That is the optimistic view, the pessimist view is that Iran decides that Syria is a lost cause and they skedaddle, more than likely leaving most of the country in the control of the Islamists. Assads forces are now in such a state of collapse that the Iranians are taking over command and control of several high profile units

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Interesting Washington Post Editorial on how Obama and Iran feels like Reagan and the USSR.

Conservative George Will on Reagan's willingness to talk to USSR:

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“How wildly wrong he is about what is happening in Moscow... Reagan has accelerated the moral disarmament of the West - actual disarmament will follow - by elevating wishful thinking to the status of political philosophy.”

Howard Phillips of the Conservative Caucus:

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''Unfortunately, Ronald Reagan is a very weak man with a very strong wife and a strong staff. He has become a useful idiot for Kremlin propaganda.''

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@engineer,

and he invented "trust, but verify"

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@engineer,

I would have said that it feels like the Paris Peace Talks. Nixon still gets credit for walking away and not throwing more lives at a lost cause but it was primarily a piece of paper designed to gave him political cover to walk way.

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@hawkeye10,

That's a ridiculous analogy. America is not fighting a losing war against Iran. America has squandered numerous opportunities to bring about a sense of détente with Iran.

The real problem facing the ME is militant Sunni Islam, this was the problem back in 9/11 when Jack Straw went on a mission to Iran to involve them in the struggle against mutual enemy the Taliban. All of this effort was pissed all over by Dubya's moronic Axis Of Evil speech.

A lot of the debacle in Iraq can be directly traced to that instance of stupidity. At least Obama knows who the real enemy is, and does not confuse Halliburton's shareholder's interest with Western interests.

Still waiting for any confirmation whatsoever that America is winding down its presence in the ME. Anything at all other than your wild speculation will do.

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