Have The Nazis Taken Over?

Yes, I think so.

Hitler burned the Reichstag, and I believe that GWB was not innocent of the WTC strike.

McTag

The two previous posts are absurd and childish. To eqate Hitler, a man that whose actions killed over 50 million people, with the President Bush is trivializing their deaths for a political talking point. Argue your differences with the current administration on their merits. Bush is no Hitler. There are not millions of people being liquidated in concentration camps. And to paint with such a broad brush and say that 30% of the countries population is in league with a bunch of jack-booted fascists takes away from the legitimacy of any important disagreements with the administration that you have. It is like the idiots on the extreme right calling Clintion and his cronies Stalin. The reichstag post is beyond the pale.
There were intelligence failures during both administrations for which there is shared blame. Ultimately is was one group/individual who attacked the US on 9/11- Al Qaeda and Bin Laden. To suggest a theory that Bush orchestrated the attacks is on par with the faked moon landing nonsense and other conspiracy theories. An informed and rational debate leads to real progress in this world. Don't let your hatred toward Bush blind you to that.

Bush isn't smart enough to be Hitler, but he's no less evil.

1. Hitler was not smart. He was a largely un-educated art school dropout army corporal who was very good at manipulating people. He was a dilettante artist that turned his love of Wagnerian epic into public policy. His racist policies were espoused by German and British intellectuals decades prior to his coming to power. He did not think up these policies on his own. Sadly, many of the German people were open to these scapegoat policies.

2. Where is the factual basis for your statement that Bush is evil? And, further- I am curious, Do you believe Bush to be evil in intention or just the results of his policies?

Hey Bosworth, calm down and look around.

Hitler was a focal point for some very nasty people. He did not instigate all the nazi stuff himself. He was a misguided idealist, and a very warped man.

None of that applies to Mr Bush except for the fact that he is a focal point for some very nasty people. He is not smart enough to think of all this for himself, but he is still the figurehead for some very questionable actions.
I will not belittle the holocaust by comparing it to America bombing innocent people...Guernica, say would be closed to the reality...and I will not compliment Mr Bush by saying he is as smart as Adolf Hitler. But he is potentially more dangerous, and is at least an equivalent threat to world peace.

Neo Fascist
I won't compare GW To Hitler but the Neo Fascist concept applies.

Think about this. A US ciitizen can be placed in prison without any charges and no attorney representation for the end of the war on terrorism or when the Govt decides to release them.

Hi McTag, I am calm. I just think that blanket statements are not healthy to discourse and understanding. Guernica would be a closer discreption but I think there is a difference in intent. Franco's forces intentionaly razed the city. You may disagree but, I do not think it is the US's intent to kill innocent civilians. It is tragic that innnocents are lost in the execution of war and I think that that is what is happening in Iraq. I take a divergent view and believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to peace.
From Bali to London and Manila to Milan its intent is to destabilize tge globe and set up a worldwide theocracy. I am new to the forum and will disclose that I am a conservative from New York. I ageed with the iraq War but think that we are bungling the peace. The US et al must do all in Iraq from becoming occupiers. No nation in the world is comfortable with foreign troops patroling their streets, whether it be the American colonies in 1770's or Indochina in the 1950's. The new challenge for the Us and its allies is to help re-build the infrastructure and pass power over for Iraqi self determination.

I also am not comfortable with some of the measures taken in the execution of the War on terror. The Jose Padilla or dirty bomb case comes to mind. While I believe he is guilty and detestable, he has his rights as an American citizen. You cannot hold people without trial or charge. This smacks of the abuses of the UK government in the 1970's internment of prisoners in N. Ireland and apartheid in S. Africa. The balance between safety and liberty is tenuous but we cannot sacrifice liberty for safety. I am new to the forum and look forward to some good back and forth. Take care

Hi again Bosworth; you seem a reflective fellow, for a conservative.

As you may well imagine there are a few threads going on this and related topics. There are some heavyweight hombres on this one, some to the right of me (in my balanced position):

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16739&start=1650

"Good back and forth" you may certainly be assured of.

Welcome, McT

Just a question in between; from where did you get the figure "50 million"?

In all Europe during WWII less than 50 million lost their lives.

Thanks for the welcome. It is pretty hard in the US now to have a conversation. The influence of the 24 hour new programs, in my view, is having a horrible effect on the US. Night after night they trot out these talking heads who do nothing but call each other names. Real school yard stuff and both left and right are guilty of it. Debate seems to be dead. That is why I take some offense with statements like "Bush is a Nazi", I think that it is nothing but slander and hyperbole. I have no problem with anyone that disagrees with Mr Bush. I would just like them to state why they think his policies are damaging and potentially obstructive to peace. This is a very serious point and history and we can learn from each side. The 2004 election will be interesting but I fear that it will not be an election based on ideas but will turn into a mudslinging free for all.

OK Walter, so he was a couple million off.

World War II Casualties


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Country
Military
Civilian
Total


Soviet Union
13,600,000
7,700,000
21,300,000

China
1,324,000
10,000,000
11,324,000

Germany
3,250,000
3,810,000
7,060,000

Poland**
850,000
6,000,000
**6,850,000

Japan
1,506,000
300,000
1,806,000

Yugoslavia
300,000
1,400,000
1,700,000

Rumania*
520,000
465,000
985,000

France*
340,000
470,000
810,000

Hungary*
-
-
750,000

Austria
380,000
145,000
525,000

Greece*
-
-
520,000

Italy
330,000
80,000
410,000

Czechoslovakia
-
-
400,000

Great Britain
326,000
62,000
388,000

USA
295,000
-
295,000

Holland
14,000
236,000
250,000

Belgium
10,000
75,000
85,000

Finland
79,000
-
79,000

Canada
39,000
-
39,000

India
36,000
-
36,000

Australia
29,000
-
29,000

Spain***
12,000
10,000
22,000

Bulgaria
19,000
2,000
21,000

New Zealand
12,000
-
12,000

South Africa
9,000
-
9,000

Norway
5,000
-
5,000

Denmark
4,000
-
4,000





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Total losses of all European Nations
ca. 40,000,000

Welcome Bos

There are some very good debaters here on both sides. Enjoy

Very good point on the 50 million figure. I put forth the total number of dead in all of WWII. Probably around 15 million died in the Pacific theatre. An interesting resource is

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm

Scrool down for WWII. It is a good resource for the atrocities of the 20th century and a breakdown of culpability

Well, I know about those figures.

Just asking, if you were counting every death of WWII as being killed in actions done by Hitler.

George W. Bush Quotes



"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating."

"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case" - Pella, Iowa, as quoted by the San Antonio Express-News, Jan. 30, 2000.

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?" - Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000.

"Nigeria is an important continent " - Oct., 2000.

"If you're asking me as the president would I understand reality, I do."

"Natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature because it is a product that we can find in our neighborhoods" - Austin, Texas, Dec. 20, 2000.

"I know how hard it is to put food on your family" - Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000.

"If you say you're going to do something and don't do it, that's trustworthiness."

"The senator [McCain] has got to understand if he's going to have - he can't have it both ways. He can't take the high horse and then claim the low road" - to reporters in Florence, S.C., Feb. 17, 2000.

"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - Reuters, May 5, 2000.

"I know the human being and fish can co-exist peacefully" - Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000.

"We ought to make the pie higher" - South Carolina Republican Debate, Feb. 15, 2000.

"There's not going to be enough people in the system to take advantage of people like me."

"This case has had full analyzation and has been looked at a lot."

"There ought to be limits to freedom. We're aware of this [web] site, and this guy is just a garbage man, that's all he is" - George Jr., discussing a web site that parodies him . . .

"It is clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil. More and more of our imports come from overseas" - Sept., 2000.

"They [farmers] will be in the forethought of our thinking."

"I'm a uniter not a divider. That means when it comes time to sew up your chest cavity, we use stitches as opposed to opening it up" - Bush, on David Letterman, March 2, 2000. (the audience booed).

"I understand small business growth. I was one"- New York Daily News, Feb. 19, 2000.

"Will the highways on the Internet become more few?"

"We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile" - Sept., 2000.

"Let me make sure I know what you're saying. You're calling me back to retract your confession?"

"It's not the governor's role to decide who goes to heaven. I believe that God decides who goes to heaven, not George W. Bush" - George W. Bush, in the Houston Chronicle.



And talking of Republican presidents...




"Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Reagan


These are not the statements of a rational person, let alone one at whose fingertips lies the power of the most awesome military machine in the history of mankind.

OOF! Wilso that hurts.

Didn't know you were in this crowd McTag.