Ted Cruze is blaming Reid for holding the American People hostage

@Moment-in-Time,

I voted for Obama twice because the alternative was unpalatable. Given the same choices I would vote the same way. I think he is a right of center politician and I wish he were more liberal than he is. It blows my mind how conservatives can claim he is a liberal. I guess that claim protects them from their real gripe which is, as you have already stated that he is black. Is their a nice way to say two faced?

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@hawkeye10,

If the conservatives were so sure Obama care was going to be a disaster why dident they just let it go and in 2016 just say see, I told you so? Obama care is just an excuse to knock him because he is black because they dont have the balls to come out front with what they really believe.

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

If the conservatives were so sure Obama care was going to be a disaster why dident they just let it go and in 2016 just say see, I told you so? Obama care is just an excuse to knock him because he is black because they dont have the balls to come out front with what they really believe.

Why, indeed!

They are losers, Rabel.

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@RABEL222,

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If the conservatives were so sure Obama care was going to be a disaster why dident they just let it go and in 2016 just say see, I told you so?

it is let go, and they expect to do that. but peoples memories are short, The R's needed to do a brain sear so that in two or three years when they say " do you remember when we shut down the government because we were trying to protect america from this disaster?" many people will still recall that valiant effort. I am not sure how this prevents failed ObamaCare from becoming a true nationalized healthcare system, but it will get the R's points for being wise/right as well as protectors of America. It will be great for the brand even if they end up losing on nationalized healthcare.

full disclosure: I am an advocate for forcibly nationalizing the hospitals as well as other extreme measures to combat the healthcare bloat, a system that costs us 40% more than we can afford to pay, and getting worse fast. I want the R's to lose the healthcare fight.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

full disclosure: I am an advocate for forcibly nationalizing the hospitals as well as other extreme measures to combat the healthcare bloat, a system that costs us 40% more than we can afford to pay, and getting worse fast. I want the R's to lose the healthcare fight.

Actually...that is probably the only way health care costs in our country are ever going to get under control, Hawk.

I don't expect to see it...but I would bet that it will happen eventually.

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@Frank Apisa,

when all other options have been exhausted America can be counted on the do the right thing.......(paraphrase of famous quote)

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@hawkeye10,

"single payer" is the appropriate way to go and I recall that Hawkee, although his protestations on issues leave his positions obscure, IS a screamin socialist. (I admit I once accused him of being libertarian because the two "beliefs", on certain issues actually develop congruent strategies)

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@farmerman,

Can Obamacare be given some "body and fender work" so that several sides can eventually agree??
I don't think that TOSSING it our will be a viable solution to health care because itll leave the country with the status quo which is being held prisoner to a health care system run by the pirates of insurance and pharma(with huge tributes payed to their sock puppets in congress)

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@farmerman,

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"single payer" is the appropriate way to go

it needs to be single owner, however that incompetent prick Obama has gotten in the way of that with this idiotic ObamaCare and by yet again demonstrating government incompetence by not even being able to set up a website correctly after several years and $300 million in work.

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@hawkeye10,

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Then, with the country facing a debt default, leaders in the Democratic-led Senate brokered a deal to end the standoff — which Cruz dismissed as "selling the American people down the river."

"You don't win a fight when your own team is firing cannons at the people who are standing up and leading, which are the House Republicans," he said. "That's what happened, and that's what led directly to this lousy deal, is when Senate Republicans declined to unify and declined to support House Republicans."

http://news.yahoo.com/cruz-senate-wont-same-mistake-next-fight-191408114--politics.html

it is pretty clear to me that nearly everyone underestimated what a game changer it was to get even one Tea Party member into the Senate. This is pretty much like the union getting a representative on to the board of directors. it changes everything.

a Senator calling the House the responsible chamber, its members the leaders of the legislative branch?? that never happens.

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Some people on this thread are already dead; they just don't know it!

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@farmerman,

Body and fender work on health care would be a good option but the tea baggers want complete rejection. there has to be some agreement and compromise and I dont see that happening even though some seem to believe that it will happen.

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@hawkeye10,

Remember the compromise thing. This was one of the things Obama gave up to the conservatives in order to get his bill passed. It was called compromising. Something the ultra right conservatives dont understand. And it seems neither do you.

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@glitterbag,

Am I mistaking you for one of the several other posters who failed to recognize that Cruz is a US Senator and/or that an entire state can't be gerrymandered, or are you still making this absurd claim after it has been explained to you why it is absurd?

Let's also not forget that Presidents of the United States were assassinated in Washington DC and New York. (Why shouldn't we? I sure don't know but you seem to think location is important)

Let's also not forget that President Kennedy was assasinated by a former Marine who was a self-professed communist and defected to the Soviet Union. (Jarhead communists are the worst!)

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@RABEL222,

Uh...maybe because they wanted to avert a disaster?

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

Remember the compromise thing. This was one of the things Obama gave up to the conservatives in order to get his bill passed. It was called compromising. Something the ultra right conservatives dont understand. And it seems neither do you.

" I let myself be compromised into a plan that does not work, then I sold thus turkey to the american people by saying how great it was, so dont blame me!" is never going to hunt.

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Why Ted Cruz, the Tea Party, and hawk are stupid; they don't understand macroeconomics.

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Washington (AFP) - The world got a close-up look at US democracy during Washington's debt default showdown, and was traumatized by what it saw.

Foreign commentators branded America "befuddled," and mocked its "dysfunctional" political system while French newspaper Le Monde bemoaned a "piteous spectacle" over a just avoided US debt default.

The bad news for America's worried friends is that new stalemates over budgets and borrowing are looming early next year.

Foreign angst over the spectacle -- which saw the far right Republican Tea Party faction try to hold President Barack Obama to ransom -- is understandable.

The globalized economy has world powers chained to America's fate: a US debt default could have caused mayhem across the planet.[/quote]

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@cicerone imposter,

so the US has to continue massive borrowing on the kids credit card because the global economic system will fail if we dont? who is doing hostage taking now? why should we allow this to be done to our kids?

besides brains wiser than you or I are sure that a US default is inevitable, the only question is when. maybe doing it before we accumulate more debt is the right thing to do. hows about you do something other than claiming that everyone else but you is stupid thus your assertions should be taken as Gospel, hows about you present facts and then make arguments based upon them? is this really more work than your old brain can handle?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Some people on this thread are already dead; they just don't know it!

No such thing as an honest difference of opinion. People who disagree with you politically are as good as dead.

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@hawkeye10,

"hows about you do something other than claiming that everyone else but you is stupid thus your assertions should be taken as Gospel"...

ummm.

that sounds like you.

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