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Shooting at Washington Shipyard

 
 
mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2013 07:08 pm
@farmerman,
What grocery stores do you shop at?
I have NEVER seen guns for sale in a grocery store, anywhere in the US.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2013 07:30 pm
@mysteryman,
you've never been to Walmart?

I can't fathom that...
mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2013 07:54 pm
@Rockhead,
Walmart is not strictly a grocery store. Their supercenters do sell groceries, along with clothes, tires, electronics,dvd's, and everything else you can possibly imagine.
The local Walmart only sells hunting rifles and shotguns, not handguns.

A grocery store sells groceries, nothing else.
So I stand by my statement that grocery stores do NOT sell guns of any sort.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2013 08:01 pm
@mysteryman,
you have proved many times that with semantics almost any position is defensible.

groceries and guns are available in the same building all over the country.

welcome to walmart...
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 02:01 am
http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/u-s-cities-as-dangerous-as-deadliest-3rd-world-countries/

Quote:

Those pushing President Obama’s gun-control agenda often portray the United States as one of the murder hot spots of the world, but the numbers tell a different story.

Even more revealing, gun murders in the U.S. are concentrated in big cities that typically have the strictest gun-control regulations. And it is those cities’ gun murder rates that are comparable to the rates in some of the deadliest countries in the world.

A United Nations 2010 chart lists the U.S. as having a murder rate of 5.22 per 100,000 people. The world average homicide rate: 9.63 per 100,000.

And 89 countries have higher murder rates than the U.S.

America is not even in the same league as the worst offenders. Honduras has a murder rate of 60.87 per 100,000. Jamaica 59.5. El Salvador 51.83. Guatemala 45.17. Colombia 40.1. Trinidad and Tobago 39.67 Angola 38.59. South Africa 36.54. Burundi 37.38 Lesotho 36.69 Zimbabwe 34.29. Belize 34.26.

The statistics on gun murders shed even more light.

The U.S. may have the highest level of gun ownership in the world, but its rate of gun homicides is only about three per 100,000.

Gun homicides in the United States are concentrated in major urban areas. And those cities, typically Democratic strongholds with the most stringent gun control laws in the nation, have gun murder rates that rival those of the most violent countries in the world.

Listen to this leader tell listeners to forget shotguns, and why semi-auto rifles are needed.

Click here to see a map comparing the rate of gun murders in American cities to nations around the world. It uses data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime and other sources collated by The Guardian.

The data reveal these amazing comparisons:

If it were a country, New Orleans (with a rate 62.1 gun murders per 100,000 people) would rank second in the world.

Detroit’s gun-homicide rate (35.9) is just a bit less than El Salvador (39.9).

Baltimore’s rate (29.7) is not too far off that of Guatemala (34.8).

Gun murder in Newark (25.4) and Miami (23.7) is comparable to Colombia (27.1).

Washington D.C. (19) has a higher rate of gun homicide than Brazil (18.1).

Atlanta’s rate (17.2) is about the same as South Africa (17).

Cleveland (17.4) has a higher rate than the Dominican Republic (16.3).

Gun murder in Buffalo (16.5) is similar to Panama (16.2).

Houston’s rate (12.9) is slightly higher than Ecuador’s (12.7).

Gun homicide in Chicago (11.6) is similar to Guyana (11.5).

Phoenix’s rate (10.6) is slightly higher than Mexico (10).

Los Angeles (9.2) is comparable to the Philippines (8.9).

Boston rate (6.2) is higher than Nicaragua (5.9).

New York, where gun murders have declined to just four per 100,000, is still higher than Argentina (3).

Even the cities with the lowest homicide rates by American standards, like San Jose and Austin, compare to Albania and Cambodia, respectively.

It’s true those comparisons are American cities to nations. But most of the countries listed have relatively small populations, in many cases comparable to large U.S. metros.

Here’s a look at the gun-control laws in the five U.S. cities with the highest gun-murder rates.

In New Orleans, you have to apply to the state police office and take classes with the National Rifle Association, then wait 45-90 days to get a concealed weapons permit.

Detroit comes under tough state laws that require a multistage process to get a gun. First, you must pass the Michigan Basic Pistol Safety questionnaire. Then you have to apply for the Ten Day Handgun Purchase Permit. (If you don’t buy the exact gun you applied for, you have to start the process all over.) After buying the gun, you have to fill out a Michigan Pistol Sales Record form and make sure the pistol has a valid firearm Safety Inspection Certificate. Federal laws also require a background check if you purchase a gun from a licensed dealer with a Federal Firearms License.

Maryland law governs Baltimore gun owners. The state prohibits the sale of handguns and many high-powered weapons without background checks. Magazines that hold more than 20 rounds are illegal.

Newark is in a state that already has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, and they may get stricter. The New Jersey state assembly passed a series of measures on February 21. One bill would limit the size of magazines to 10 shells from the current 15. Others would outlaw .50 caliber weapons, create weapon-free school zones, require background checks for private gun sales and require safety training for people seeking firearm purchase permits. The state Senate and Gov. Chris Christie would have to approve the changes.

Florida law requires citizens in Miami wait three days before a handgun purchase.

Firearms-rights supporters point to the high rates of gun murders where tight gun-control laws are in effect. Dave Workman of the Second Amendment Foundation says the belief in the firearms community is those laws mean people simply can’t protect themselves and criminals know it.

He says, “Criminals realize victims are far less likely to fight back. There’s no deterrent factor.”

Gun-control measures proposed by President Obama in January could reduce that deterrent factor even more......


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/u-s-cities-as-dangerous-as-deadliest-3rd-world-countries/#tEcA48pBTvgPPL08.99

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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 02:02 am
What the numbers actually say to do, if you want our murder rates to drop, is to outlaw and ban the demoKKKrat party.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 02:44 am
I am posting this without comment, other than to say it comes from the liberal columnist Rachel Maddow...

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/09/17/20546567-charts-half-the-deadliest-shootings-in-us-history-happened-in-past-six-years?lite


Quote:
If you consider the deadliest mass shootings in American history -- at this point, shootings with 12 or more fatalities -- you'll find the first one happens in 1949. A deranged lone gunman's "Walk of Death" in Camden, New Jersey, claimed the lives of 13 people.

The next one happened in 1966, when a lone gunman climbed the bell tower at the University of Texas and began shooting. He killed 16 people. The first half of the list of these horrible shootings, as Rachel pointed out on the show last night, took place over half a century. The second half took place over just six years, from 2007 until yesterday


Read the entire article, its quite interesting.
Then argue amongst yourselves as to what it means.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 04:18 am
@mysteryman,
It means more and more of these mass shootings will become more and more frequent. And people like you will blame video games, mental health, anything as long as you can keep hold of your guns.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 04:37 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:
Read the entire article, its quite interesting.
Then argue amongst yourselves as to what it means.
From that article:"Americans are 20 times as likely to be killed by a gun than is someone from another developed country."

Rachel Maddow said about her political views: "That said, I'm undoubtedly a liberal, which means that I'm in almost total agreement with the Eisenhower-era Republican party platform."
So she's a liberal who is a bit to the right of Romney ...
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 05:06 am
@izzythepush,
I've never known Mysterman to be an irrational, obsessive opponent of gun control. You do him a disservice, and i suspect you're motivated by your own bigotry--that all Americans are obsessive about guns. Your incivility is unwarranted.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 05:53 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
From that article:"Americans are 20 times as likely to be killed by a gun than is someone from another developed country.


An even assuming that is correct something I am not off hand willing to do it just mean Americans are less likely to be killed by 0ther means such as knives!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you less dead with a knife bury in your heart then a bullet?

A teenager has been arrested after a 16-year-old boy was fatally stabbed in the chest.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2421983/Birmingham-schoolboy-Azim-Azam-stabbed-death-getting-bus-rush-hour.html

Azim Azam, who lived in the Billesley area of Birmingham, was on his way to his first day of college when he was knifed shortly after he got off the No.2 bus in Moseley, Birmingham.

A 17-year-old suspect, from Yardley Wood, presented himself to Birmingham Central police station at around 12.30pm this afternoon and was arrested on suspicion of fatally stabbing the student.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 06:29 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
It means more and more of these mass shootings will become more and more frequent. And people like you will blame video games, mental health, anything as long as you can keep hold of your guns.


LOL murder is at a fifty year low in the US and the last I check the peak for mass murders in the US occur in 1929 or so.

Quote:


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/rise-mass-killings-impact-huge-article-1.1221062

And yet those who study mass shootings say they are not becoming more common.
"There is no pattern, there is no increase," says criminologist James Allen Fox of Boston's Northeastern University, who has been studying the subject since the 1980s, spurred by a rash of mass shootings in post offices.
The random mass shootings that get the most media attention are the rarest, Fox says. Most people who die of bullet wounds knew the identity of their killer.
Society moves on, he says, because of our ability to distance ourselves from the horror of the day, and because people believe that these tragedies are "one of the unfortunate prices we pay for our freedoms."
Grant Duwe, a criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections who has written a history of mass murders in America, said that while mass shootings rose between the 1960s and the 1990s, they actually dropped in the 2000s. And mass killings actually reached their peak in 1929, according to his data. He estimates that there were 32 in the 1980s, 42 in the 1990s and 26 in the first decade of the century.
Chances of being killed in a mass shooting, he says, are probably no greater than being struck by lightning.
Still, he understands the public perception — and extensive media coverage — when mass shootings occur in places like malls and schools. "There is this feeling that could have been me. It makes it so much more frightening."


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/rise-mass-killings-impact-huge-article-1.1221062#ixzz2fR4R4BJQ
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 06:34 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
as long as you can keep hold of your guns.


When are you going to give up your knives?

Of course you are doing a good job of making sure your women can be raped at will...............

No means of defense for women legally allowed no matter how harmless.
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revelette
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 06:43 am
Shorter Conservative Media: 'Pay No Attention to the Man With The Gun - Follow the Shiny Objects'

Quote:
In the wake of the mass shooting at the Washington Navy Yard, conservative media figures and their allies in the pro-gun movement have their strategy down pat.

First, accuse the president, members of Congress, or media figures who suggest that perhaps there is the need to look at our country's ineffective gun laws of politicizing the tragedy

Sean Hannity last night began a segment on the Navy Yard shooting question Fox News analyst Juan Williams about why advocates of gun safety laws "race to politicize atragedy and advance an agenda."

Williams responded appropriately, turning Hannity's question on its head: "I don't think there is a race to politicize it except coming from the right," he said. "And the race to politicize it from the right is, 'Oh don't bring up guns. Don't mention guns. Guns have nothing to do with it.' "

Next, conservatives point to any cause of the tragedy that is not the actual instrument of death. After the tragic Sandy Hook school shooting, National Rifle Association head Wayne LaPierre, cast part of the blame on violent video games. This has now become the go to talking point for the right.

For example, just yesterday on Fox & Friends, newly minted cohost Elizabeth Hasselbeck asked, "Is there a link between a certain age group or demo in this -- twenty to thirty-four year old men, perhaps, that are playing these video games and then their violent actions? We have yet to find out."

Actually we have. According to a 2013 study published in the Journal of Aggression, Maltreatment & Trauma, "Media use was not associated with either increased or decreased risk of adult criminality."

No matter the research -- Fox News psychiatrist Keith Ablow declared violent video games are "no different than heroin or cocaine, but potentially more of a public health threat."

Glenn Beck utilized a slightly different version of this excuse. First the host told his audience he was "not blaming video games for this [Navy Yard] shooting" or calling for a ban on video games, because "that's what progressives do."

Beck then went on to indict national culture, claiming, "A gun ban is just as useless and wasteful as a video game ban. The answer is not, or will it ever be found, in what we take out of our society. But rather in what we have lost and must put back into our society."

The right only raises the issue of violent video games and "culture" to create a diversion, attempting to avoid confronting the problem of our broken gun safety laws. The longer they can distract the public and the media, the more likely the public is to move on from the topic with no action taken. Like so many other issues, conservatives have chosen to respond not with a serious conversation of how to confront public policy problems, but by arming their base with fact-free talking points on issues they have no intention of doing anything about.




Quote:
Imbecile
• 2 days ago △ ▽




Similar response from groups desperate to make us believe that everything in the world but guns should be examined as part of the problem:

"Friends, before we look at guns and our gun culture as the root of this problem, maybe we should take a look at some alarming similarities between all these shooters. For instance, did you notice they're all boys? Did you also notice that none of them were obese? Maybe Michelle Obama's focus on healthy eating isn't so healthy after all. And lastly, they all wore clothing.

"So, before we all go and get political about the role guns and our gun culture play in these tragedies, we should look at the real similarities."


(the above comment is a comment from a poster on the blog)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 06:43 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
LOL murder is at a fifty year low in the US and the last I check the peak for mass murders in the US occur in 1929 or so.


In a response to a post by mm I wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Read the entire article, its quite interesting.
Then argue amongst yourselves as to what it means.
From that article: "Americans are 20 times as likely to be killed by a gun than is someone from another developed country."
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 06:50 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
In a response to a post by mm I wrote:


WRONG as it was in response to an IZZ post not your.

My post in response to your is below with an example added at the end of a killing in the UK that just happen of a young man with a knife.

Quote:
An even assuming that is correct something I am not off hand willing to do it just mean Americans are less likely to be killed by 0ther means such as knives!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you less dead with a knife bury in your heart then a bullet?
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 06:57 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
In a response to a post by mm I wrote:


WRONG as it was in response to an IZZ post not your.
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/b_zps7b2ee272.jpg
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 07:00 am
@revelette,
It would had help if the damn navy had aid the man with treatment instead of getting him out of the service at least in my opinion!!!!!!!

As far as gun control he had a shotgun with him and the other two weapons he got at the scene, so even without a shotgun to start with I see no reason why he could not had just walked up to a armed guard and knife him without warning in order to get his handgun.

Not that guns are the greatest danger as the man was bright so there is little question he could had created a car bomb and drove it next to that brick building that would had come down killing hundreds most likely.

We need more outreach to those who have mental health problems not more so call gun control.
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revelette
 
  1  
Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 07:30 am
Chicago Park Shooting: 13 People Shot On Basketball Court

Quote:
Thirteen people, including a 3-year-old boy, were shot on Thursday night in a park on Chicago's South Side, the Chicago Tribune reported.

The shootings reportedly occurred at a basketball court in Cornell Square Park in the city's Back of the Yards neighborhood.

BillRM
 
  0  
Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 07:39 am
@revelette,
Chicago?

How in the hell can there be a mass shooting in Chicago with one of the strictest gun control laws in the nation............

You mean there could not had been illegal guns use as is it not true that all you need to do is pass laws and all those 300 millions guns in the nation will disappear?

Hell gun control laws work just fine in Mexico where you can go to prison for having bullets less alone guns.

Have not been a killing by firearms in Mexico for what ten seconds or so?
 

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