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Shooting at Washington Shipyard

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 08:48 am
@Setanta,
I don't need any lessons in bigotry from the biggest Anglophobe on A2K.

Prove me wrong, Rev has already posted about another mass shooting in Chicago. These incidents will increase in regularity and frequency because nobody will grasp the nettle of sane gun control. If the shooting in Newtown wasn't shocking enough to change things, it's clear nothing will be.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 09:00 am
@izzythepush,
I'm not an "anglophobe," nor could you ever supply evidence that i am. I'm not at all surprised to see you respond to that criticism with hysteria.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 09:02 am
@Setanta,
I really don't want to waste my time going through your posts, but you are an Anglophobe who never misses an opportunity to insult or demean the UK.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 09:10 am
@izzythepush,
Translation: you can't substantiate the charge, so you'll just repeat the hysteria. Your remarks to MM were unwarranted, but you'll never admit to it. It's really hilarious to see an accusation like that from you, who rushes into every thread to you can to make remarks about how wonderful England is, or how superior, whether it is relevant to the topic or not. Basically, if someone does not hold exactly your opinions you will vilify them, and you'll grasp at any straw to do so. You can't make your charge stick, so i'm sure we'll hear more insults and more wild accusations.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 09:14 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
These incidents will increase in regularity and frequency because nobody will grasp the nettle of sane gun control.


The rate of homicides of all kinds are decreasing not increasing in the US and had been since the 1980s with the over all homicide rate being now at a fifty year low.

But understanding facts have never never been your strong point nor do you seems to have the intellect to deal with plain statistical facts.

You view the world in an emotional haze that is not becoming to an old woman let alone a male.
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revelette
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 09:16 am
@BillRM,
All people have to do in a strict gun control state, (strict is used relative here to US guns laws) is go to another state, or online.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 09:23 am
@revelette,
Quote:
All people have to do in a strict gun control state, (strict is used relative here to US guns laws) is go to another state, or online.


We could try Mexico as a fine example of a very very strict gun control nation.

The problem in Chicago is the same as in Mexico the so call war on drugs pumping hundreds of billions into drug gangs down to low level street dealers who will be arm not matter what.

Not aided in Chicago by a large lower class of blacks citizens that are being **** on by the society in term of education, possible meaning legal career paths and so on.

There is no connections between guns laws and homicide rate in the US except a reverse connection where killings tend to be the highest in the areas with the strictest laws.

An once more the homicide rate in the US is at a fifty years low and going in a downward direction since the 1980s.



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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 10:21 am
@revelette,
That is true, but we can't start restricting the rights of those in states who do not have the same issues as their neighbors. Indiana and Wisconsin get the blame for the weapons in Chicago but that isn't fair to the people in those states.

Online purchases still have to go through a gun shop, you can not legally send weapons through the mail from one private party to another. They still have to be picked up locally and background checks provided before they can release the weapon to you.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 11:07 am
@Baldimo,
Quote:
you can not legally send weapons


First given that there are 300 millions guns in the US now there is no real need to move guns around all that must within the country in any case.

Second the word legally said it all, as laws are not magical and there is zero reason to think that gun laws will work to keep guns out of the hands of those who do not give a **** about the laws.

The drugs laws and all the billions in enforcement nation wide have not stop one person from being able to buy illegal drugs.

Prohibition did not stop one person in Chicago from getting a drink either and gun laws at the state or federal level have not and will not be able to keep guns out of anyone hands that have a wish to own them.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 03:27 pm
Cities with the Highest Rates of Gun-Related Homicides
(per 100,000 people)
Rank City City Rate Metro Rate City/Metro Ratio
1 New Orleans 62.1 24.1 2.6
2 Detroit 35.9 9.3 3.9
3 Baltimore 29.7 10.3 2.9
4 Oakland, CA 26.6 7.1 3.7
5 Newark 25.4 3.3 7.7
6 St. Louis 24.1 7.2 3.3
7 Miami 23.7 6.3 3.8
8 Richmond 23.1 7.4 3.1
9 Philadelphia 20 7.8 2.6
10 Washington, D.C. 19 5.5 3.5

States with the strictest gun laws according to the Brady Campaign

1. California (Oakland)
2. New Jersey (Newark)
3. Massachusetts
4. New York
5. Connecticut (Newtown)
6. Hawaii
7. Maryland (Baltimore – Washington DC)
8. Rhode Island
9. Illinois
10. Pennsylvania (Philadelphia)
11. Michigan (Detroit)
15. Virginia (Richmond – Washington DC)
32. Florida (Miami)
34. Missouri (St Louis)
42. Louisiana (New Orleans)

BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 04:42 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Could you please give a link to the cities list as I was surprise at Washington DC and Chicago not being higher then they are on that list.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 05:22 pm
@BillRM,
Their population size prevents them from showing up in the states. Even though they had the most murders in the nation. It's a number's game. 500 people in a city of 3 or 4 million is a drop in the bucket. 500 people in Denver would be insane.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 08:15 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
It's a number's game. 500 people in a city of 3 or 4 million is a drop in the bucket. 500 people in Denver would be insane.


As far as I know they normally give rankings in homicides per 100,000 of population so you can compare cities and states with difference populations.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 11:50 pm
FoxNews:

Quote:
Places with higher gun ownership rates also have higher firearms-related deaths, a new study finds.

In the study, published Sept. 20 in the American Journal of Medicine, researchers analyzed gun ownership rates, crime rates and deaths from firearms across 27 developed countries around the world.
"The U.S. has the highest gun ownership rates and also has the highest rate of firearm-related deaths," said study co-author Dr. Sripal Bangalore, a cardiologist at the New York University School of Medicine.

Despite the prevalence of high-profile mass shootings, such as the recent Navy shipyard shooting, where the attacker showed signs of mental illness, the prevalence of mental illness in a society is only weakly correlated with gun-related deaths.
[...]
The team looked at the fraction of people who owned guns across 27 developed nations, including the United States, Switzerland, Finland, Australia and Japan.

Gun ownership was lowest in Japan and highest, by far, in the United States.

Gun ownership rates were strongly correlated with higher death rates from firearms.

And crime didn't seem to be correlated at all with gun ownership rates. That suggests purchasing a gun doesn't have an effect on overall crime rates, which include both violent and non-violent crimes.
"We can show that guns don't make a nation safer," Bangalore said.
The study "provides some very convincing evidence that firearms-related deaths are very strongly correlated with prevalence of guns," said Dr. Eric Fleegler, a health services researcher at Boston Children's Hospital, who was not involved in the study.

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 01:38 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Have you ever thought that cities with the highest rate of death by firearm would be first to put restrictions on availability. You could be getting cause and effect mixed up.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 06:49 am
@izzythepush,
Such areas with high homicide rates are for the most part drug importing and or transhipping centers.

An like the anti gun laws the war on drugs are doing far far more harm then good.

Chicago first got it reputation as the murder capital of the nation back in the 1930s when we was having a war of alcohol.

It the drugs laws stupid, not the guns that happen to be the problem.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 07:01 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Such areas with high homicide rates are for the most part drug importing and or transhipping centers.


So the homicide rate was high before a restriction on firearms was introduced. Not the other way round as some would have us believe.

Any city wide restriction on firearms is bound to have a limited effect when you can drive into a neighbouring state and buy enough firepower to launch a successful coup in Equatorial New Guinea.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 09:48 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
So the homicide rate was high before a restriction on firearms was introduced. Not the other way round as some would have us believe.


If so, there is little or not effect on the homicide rate by doing so as in Mexico.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 11:31 am
@BillRM,
Mexico borders America, marijuana and coke one way, firearms the other.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 11:39 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Mexico borders America, marijuana and coke one way, firearms the other.


Mostly dollars go south as in billions of dollars a year. Firearms cost is a small fraction of the cost of doing business for the Mexico gangs.

An if firearms could not be purchase from the US the weapons would come from around the world to meet the needs of the Mexico drug gangs.

Their overhead might go up a few percents but that is it.
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