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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Thu 4 Jul, 2013 02:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
<good man>
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JTT
 
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Thu 4 Jul, 2013 02:10 pm
@JPB,
Quote:
ci asks what the NSA has done to me personally. They've proven that JTT has been right all along. You can imagine how much that pisses me off.


It pisses me off too, JPB. You can't even begin to realize how much.

It pisses me off royally, deeply, hurtfully, that the object of a lifelong love and deep admiration, the sheer thrill of being there and experiencing it, of absorbing it all, instead turns out to be what many good, honest, decent, US loving, highly patriotic American citizens have shown it to really be.

And still the denial goes on. Crying or Very sad
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JTT
 
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Thu 4 Jul, 2013 02:15 pm
@JPB,
As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:
Quote:
anyway... back to Snowdon,


And now, back to other things important.

[Note NSA, Osama didn't give this to me. This is from a US website.]

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6537.htm

Full text: bin Laden's 'letter to America'

Online document: the full text of Osama bin Laden's "letter to the American people", reported in today's Observer. The letter first appeared on the internet in Arabic and has since been translated and circulated by Islamists in Britain.

Observer Worldview : Sunday November 24, 2002

In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, "Permission to fight (against disbelievers) is given to those (believers) who are fought against, because they have been wronged and surely, Allah is Able to give them (believers) victory" [Quran 22:39]

"Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (anything worshipped other than Allah e.g. Satan). So fight you against the friends of Satan; ever feeble is indeed the plot of Satan."[Quran 4:76]

Some American writers have published articles under the title 'On what basis are we fighting?' These articles have generated a number of responses, some of which adhered to the truth and were based on Islamic Law, and others which have not. Here we wanted to outline the truth - as an explanation and warning - hoping for Allah's reward, seeking success and support from Him.

While seeking Allah's help, we form our reply based on two questions directed at the Americans:

(Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you?
Q2)What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

a) You attacked us in Palestine:

(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily.

(ii) It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this.

When the Muslims conquered Palestine and drove out the Romans, Palestine and Jerusalem returned to Islaam, the religion of all the Prophets peace be upon them. Therefore, the call to a historical right to Palestine cannot be raised against the Islamic Ummah that believes in all the Prophets of Allah (peace and blessings be upon them) - and we make no distinction between them.

(iii) The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone.

(b) You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon.

(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;

(i) These governments prevent our people from establishing the Islamic Shariah, using violence and lies to do so.

(ii) These governments give us a taste of humiliation, and places us in a large prison of fear and subdual.

(iii) These governments steal our Ummah's wealth and sell them to you at a paltry price.

(iv) These governments have surrendered to the Jews, and handed them most of Palestine, acknowledging the existence of their state over the dismembered limbs of their own people.

(v) The removal of these governments is an obligation upon us, and a necessary step to free the Ummah, to make the Shariah the supreme law and to regain Palestine. And our fight against these governments is not separate from out fight against you.

(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.

(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.

(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.

(g) You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al-Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it.

(2) These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of your oppression and aggression against us. It is commanded by our religion and intellect that the oppressed have a right to return the aggression. Do not await anything from us but Jihad, resistance and revenge. Is it in any way rational to expect that after America has attacked us for more than half a century, that we will then leave her to live in security and peace?!!

(3) You may then dispute that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake:

(a) This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.

(b) The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb us in Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy our homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy our lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq. These tax dollars are given to Israel for it to continue to attack us and penetrate our lands. So the American people are the ones who fund the attacks against us, and they are the ones who oversee the expenditure of these monies in the way they wish, through their elected candidates.

(c) Also the American army is part of the American people. It is this very same people who are shamelessly helping the Jews fight against us.

(d) The American people are the ones who employ both their men and their women in the American Forces which attack us.

(e) This is why the American people cannot be not innocent of all the crimes committed by the Americans and Jews against us.

(f) Allah, the Almighty, legislated the permission and the option to take revenge. Thus, if we are attacked, then we have the right to attack back. Whoever has destroyed our villages and towns, then we have the right to destroy their villages and towns. Whoever has stolen our wealth, then we have the right to destroy their economy. And whoever has killed our civilians, then we have the right to kill theirs.

The American Government and press still refuses to answer the question:

Why did they attack us in New York and Washington?

If Sharon is a man of peace in the eyes of Bush, then we are also men of peace!!! America does not understand the language of manners and principles, so we are addressing it using the language it understands.

(Q2) As for the second question that we want to answer: What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

(1) The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.

(a) The religion of the Unification of God; of freedom from associating partners with Him, and rejection of this; of complete love of Him, the Exalted; of complete submission to His Laws; and of the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories and religions which contradict with the religion He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Islam is the religion of all the prophets, and makes no distinction between them - peace be upon them all.

It is to this religion that we call you; the seal of all the previous religions. It is the religion of Unification of God, sincerity, the best of manners, righteousness, mercy, honour, purity, and piety. It is the religion of showing kindness to others, establishing justice between them, granting them their rights, and defending the oppressed and the persecuted. It is the religion of enjoining the good and forbidding the evil with the hand, tongue and heart. It is the religion of Jihad in the way of Allah so that Allah's Word and religion reign Supreme. And it is the religion of unity and agreement on the obedience to Allah, and total equality between all people, without regarding their colour, sex, or language.

(b) It is the religion whose book - the Quran - will remained preserved and unchanged, after the other Divine books and messages have been changed. The Quran is the miracle until the Day of Judgment. Allah has challenged anyone to bring a book like the Quran or even ten verses like it.

(2) The second thing we call you to, is to stop your oppression, lies, immorality and debauchery that has spread among you.

(a) We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest.

We call you to all of this that you may be freed from that which you have become caught up in; that you may be freed from the deceptive lies that you are a great nation, that your leaders spread amongst you to conceal from you the despicable state to which you have reached.

(b) It is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind:

(i) You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator. You flee from the embarrassing question posed to you: How is it possible for Allah the Almighty to create His creation, grant them power over all the creatures and land, grant them all the amenities of life, and then deny them that which they are most in need of: knowledge of the laws which govern their lives?

(ii) You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense; precisely what Benjamin Franklin warned you against.

(iii) You are a nation that permits the production, trading and usage of intoxicants. You also permit drugs, and only forbid the trade of them, even though your nation is the largest consumer of them.

(iv) You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom. You have continued to sink down this abyss from level to level until incest has spread amongst you, in the face of which neither your sense of honour nor your laws object.

Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?

(v) You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

(vi) You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

(vii) You are a nation that practices the trade of sex in all its forms, directly and indirectly. Giant corporations and establishments are established on this, under the name of art, entertainment, tourism and freedom, and other deceptive names you attribute to it.

(viii) And because of all this, you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention.

(xi) You have destroyed nature with your industrial waste and gases more than any other nation in history. Despite this, you refuse to sign the Kyoto agreement so that you can secure the profit of your greedy companies and*industries.

(x) Your law is the law of the rich and wealthy people, who hold sway in their political parties, and fund their election campaigns with their gifts. Behind them stand the Jews, who control your policies, media and economy.

(xi) That which you are singled out for in the history of mankind, is that you have used your force to destroy mankind more than any other nation in history; not to defend principles and values, but to hasten to secure your interests and profits. You who dropped a nuclear bomb on Japan, even though Japan was ready to negotiate an end to the war. How many acts of oppression, tyranny and injustice have you carried out, O callers to freedom?

(xii) Let us not forget one of your major characteristics: your duality in both manners and values; your hypocrisy in manners and principles. All*manners, principles and values have two scales: one for you and one for the others.

(a)The freedom and democracy that you call to is for yourselves and for white race only; as for the rest of the world, you impose upon them your monstrous, destructive policies and Governments, which you call the 'American friends'. Yet you prevent them from establishing democracies. When the Islamic party in Algeria wanted to practice democracy and they won the election, you unleashed your agents in the Algerian army onto them, and to attack them with tanks and guns, to imprison them and torture them - a new lesson from the 'American book of democracy'!!!

(b)Your policy on prohibiting and forcibly removing weapons of mass destruction to ensure world peace: it only applies to those countries which you do not permit to possess such weapons. As for the countries you consent to, such as Israel, then they are allowed to keep and use such weapons to defend their security. Anyone else who you suspect might be manufacturing or keeping these kinds of weapons, you call them criminals and you take military action against them.

(c)You are the last ones to respect the resolutions and policies of International Law, yet you claim to want to selectively punish anyone else who does the same. Israel has for more than 50 years been pushing UN resolutions and rules against the wall with the full support of America.

(d)As for the war criminals which you censure and form criminal courts for - you shamelessly ask that your own are granted immunity!! However, history will not forget the war crimes that you committed against the Muslims and the rest of the world; those you have killed in Japan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Lebanon and Iraq will remain a shame that you will never be able to escape. It will suffice to remind you of your latest war crimes in Afghanistan, in which densely populated innocent civilian villages were destroyed, bombs were dropped on mosques causing the roof of the mosque to come crashing down on the heads of the Muslims praying inside. You are the ones who broke the agreement with the Mujahideen when they left Qunduz, bombing them in Jangi fort, and killing more than 1,000 of your prisoners through suffocation and thirst. Allah alone knows how many people have died by torture at the hands of you and your agents. Your planes remain in the Afghan skies, looking for anyone remotely suspicious.

(e)You have claimed to be the vanguards of Human Rights, and your Ministry of Foreign affairs issues annual reports containing statistics of those countries that violate any Human Rights. However, all these things vanished when the Mujahideen hit you, and you then implemented the methods of the same documented governments that you used to curse. In America, you captured thousands the Muslims and Arabs, took them into custody with neither reason, court trial, nor even disclosing their names. You issued newer, harsher laws.

What happens in Guatanamo is a historical embarrassment to America and its values, and it screams into your faces - you hypocrites, "What is the value of your signature on any agreement or treaty?"

(3) What we call you to thirdly is to take an honest stance with yourselves - and I doubt you will do so - to discover that you are a nation without principles or manners, and that the values and principles to you are something which you merely demand from others, not that which you yourself must adhere to.

(4) We also advise you to stop supporting Israel, and to end your support of the Indians in Kashmir, the Russians against the Chechens and to also cease supporting the Manila Government against the Muslims in Southern Philippines.

(5) We also advise you to pack your luggage and get out of our lands. We desire for your goodness, guidance, and righteousness, so do not force us to send you back as cargo in coffins.

(6) Sixthly, we call upon you to end your support of the corrupt leaders in our countries. Do not interfere in our politics and method of education. Leave us alone, or else expect us in New York and Washington.

(7) We also call you to deal with us and interact with us on the basis of mutual interests and benefits, rather than the policies of sub dual, theft and occupation, and not to continue your policy of supporting the Jews because this will result in more disasters for you.

If you fail to respond to all these conditions, then prepare for fight with the Islamic Nation. The Nation of Monotheism, that puts complete trust on Allah and fears none other than Him. The Nation which is addressed by its Quran with the words: "Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him if you are believers. Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of believing people. And remove the anger of their (believers') hearts. Allah accepts the repentance of whom He wills. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise." [Quran9:13-1]

The Nation of honour and respect:

"But honour, power and glory belong to Allah, and to His Messenger (Muhammad- peace be upon him) and to the believers." [Quran 63:8]

"So do not become weak (against your enemy), nor be sad, and you will be*superior ( in victory )if you are indeed (true) believers" [Quran 3:139]

The Nation of Martyrdom; the Nation that desires death more than you desire life:

"Think not of those who are killed in the way of Allah as dead. Nay, they are alive with their Lord, and they are being provided for. They rejoice in what Allah has bestowed upon them from His bounty and rejoice for the sake of those who have not yet joined them, but are left behind (not yet martyred) that on them no fear shall come, nor shall they grieve. They rejoice in a grace and a bounty from Allah, and that Allah will not waste the reward of the believers." [Quran 3:169-171]

The Nation of victory and success that Allah has promised:

"It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad peace be upon him) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it victorious over all other religions even though the Polytheists hate it." [Quran 61:9]

"Allah has decreed that 'Verily it is I and My Messengers who shall be victorious.' Verily Allah is All-Powerful, All-Mighty." [Quran 58:21]

The Islamic Nation that was able to dismiss and destroy the previous evil Empires like yourself; the Nation that rejects your attacks, wishes to remove your evils, and is prepared to fight you. You are well aware that the Islamic Nation, from the very core of its soul, despises your haughtiness and arrogance.

If the Americans refuse to listen to our advice and the goodness, guidance and righteousness that we call them to, then be aware that you will lose this Crusade Bush began, just like the other previous Crusades in which you were humiliated by the hands of the Mujahideen, fleeing to your home in great silence and disgrace. If the Americans do not respond, then their fate will be that of the Soviets who fled from Afghanistan to deal with their military defeat, political breakup, ideological downfall, and economic bankruptcy.

This is our message to the Americans, as an answer to theirs. Do they now know why we fight them and over which form of ignorance, by the permission of Allah, we shall be victorious?
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JTT
 
  0  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 02:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Sorry, you all! I was wrong, and you guys are right.


My deepest compliments, Cicerone Imposter.

I agree with Engineer, IN SPADES!

HAPPY 4TH OF JULY!!!!!!!

If I knew how to display a US flag, fireworks and all the rest, well, it'd be here.

Please, use your imagination!

The world really could be a better place, IF ... .
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JTT
 
  0  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 02:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
The Taliban isn't a country, and they are spread out in many countries in the Middle East. Military strategies had to change.


With all due respect, CI, this is false. It's propaganda. The Taliban largely consists of Afghans fighting to rid their country of illegal invaders. How do you suppose that dirt poor, in the sense that Americans will never understand, people, barely able to feed their families and care for their children scarred by US WMDs, would find the money to venture far and wide?

The Taliban never attacked the US. The US attacked Afghanistan, which is, by the very laws that the US established after WWII, a war crime. All the things that flow from that first, and major war crime, are also war crimes.

Now the very people who committed these war crimes, and have protected other war criminals, lie to y'all, again, spy on y'all, and others, again.

What is the solution to all this?


hawkeye10
 
  1  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 02:41 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
Afghans fighting to rid their country of illegal invaders.

what is your argument that the UN Security Counsel lacks the authority to authorize invasions and the overthrow of national governments?
JTT
 
  0  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 02:44 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Quote:
YOU DON'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST INKLING WHAT I DO!, JPB.


MiT, I don't mean to be callous or mean, and I certainly applaud all you are doing [thanks ever so much], but this is like saying, "I helped put away Al Capone, but I fully support John Gotti, Richard G. Gotti, Sammy Gravano, "The Bull", Henry Hill, Ronald Jerothe, "Foxy", Gennaro Langella, ... .


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Brandon9000
 
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Thu 4 Jul, 2013 02:50 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
Translation: You don't want to assert anything clear and specific because then it could actually be debated on its merits, which is the last thing you want. You prefer to make vague references to wrongdoing without every tying them to a specific case.


Now you are being just plain stupid, Brandon. The notion that I don't/haven't made specific references, that I haven't describe clearly, the evil that the US has perpetrated upon so many countries for over a century is laughable in the extreme.

You haven't noticed Frank Apisa's childish attempts to avoid discussing these important issues? You haven't noticed the hundreds of A2Kers who avoid, have long avoided discussing these important issues. You haven't noticed the myriad sources I've posted describing US war crimes, terrorism, support of myriad dictators, the theft of so many countries' wealth, the ... ?

Really, what planet have you been living on?

As I said, you only make vague references to wrongdoing because you can't defend any specific allegation. I dare you to pick one specific incident and debate it. I'm making myself perfectly clear. Now you can either respond with something specific or keep muttering vague curses.
JTT
 
  0  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 02:57 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
what is your argument that the UN Security Counsel lacks the authority to authorize invasions and the overthrow of national governments?


What is yours, Hawk? Are you suggesting this is pertinent?
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 4 Jul, 2013 03:00 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
what is your argument that the UN Security Counsel lacks the authority to authorize invasions and the overthrow of national governments?


What is yours, Hawk? Are you suggesting this is pertinent?


i dont believe that this body has this authority, because the citizens of Earth have never authorized it.
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 4 Jul, 2013 03:10 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
The military campaign in Afghanistan was not specifically mandated by the UN - there was no specific Security Council Resolution authorising the invasion - but was widely (although not universally) perceived to be a legitimate form of self-defence under the UN Charter.
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The problem here was that whereas the 11 September attacks had been carried out by al-Qaeda, the military target in Afghanistan was the Taleban. However, a series of UN Security Council Resolutions concerning Afghanistan7 provide for the possibility of establishing that the Taliban were indirectly responsibility for al-Qaeda’s attacks. The UN Security Council had insisted on several occasions that the Taliban stop providing sanctuary and training camps for international terrorists and al-Qaeda, take appropriate measures in order to ensure that the territory under its control was not used for the preparation of terrorist actions, and hand over Mr bin Laden to justice. In not complying with these demands and their obligations under international law to combat terrorism, the Taliban themselves became involved in international terrorism and clearly violated international law. In doing so, it has been argued, the Taliban became an accomplice of al-Qaeda, which made them too internationally responsible for the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001 and others, and allowed the action in Afghanistan to be legitimate self-defence. This argument is also used to deal with the problem that in the traditional view of self-defence, the armed attack that precipitated it must be attributable to a state.8

www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn05340.pdf
JTT
 
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Thu 4 Jul, 2013 03:13 pm
@Brandon9000,
See what I mean about the denial. No one has the guts to tell Brandon just how out to lunch he is, how he has studiously avoided not only everything approaching negative about the US on this thread, but how he has avoided the myriad sources I have quoted over the years from myriad US sources describing the very things he denies.

I refer you, Brandon, to Post: # 5,375,856 on page 7, to Post: # 5,375,662 on page 6, to your fleeing JPB's correction of your propaganda on what ever page it was in this thread, to the numerous other posts that clearly point up just how delusional you are.
Brandon9000
 
  0  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 03:24 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

See what I mean about the denial. No one has the guts to tell Brandon just how out to lunch he is, how he has studiously avoided not only everything approaching negative about the US on this thread, but how he has avoided the myriad sources I have quoted over the years from myriad US sources describing the very things he denies.

I refer you, Brandon, to Post: # 5,375,856 on page 7, to Post: # 5,375,662 on page 6, to your fleeing JPB's correction of your propaganda on what ever page it was in this thread, to the numerous other posts that clearly point up just how delusional you are.

Name calling just means that you can't debate your opinion on its actual merits. Making assertions about the poster is not an argument. I have looked up those two references. The first is by Rabel and the second by JPB. Exactly what is the specific assertion about American wrongdoing that you are making? Are you re-asserting Rabel or JPB's posts? Why not just say it? It shouldn't be hard.
JTT
 
  0  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 03:46 pm
@hawkeye10,
I think that you have backtracked a great deal to hide the fact that you believed the UN had given the US the green light to invade Afghanistan.

So you cherry picked info from another band of war criminals that were involved in the same set of war crimes.

Are you now offering this as a defense for the illegal invasion of the sovereign nation of Afghanistan?

JTT
 
  0  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 03:51 pm
@Brandon9000,
That you ask such nonsensical questions, Brandon, illustrates that you haven't been following,

But that's the norm for you, and Okie and MM and H2oman and ... . You don't read stuff that describes the evil the US has engaged in for over a century. If you were the open minded individual you are pretending to be, you would have seen the hundreds of articles documenting this evil.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 04:10 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
Are you now offering this as a defense for the illegal invasion of the sovereign nation of Afghanistan?

no, I think that the last invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, and the entering into the civil war in Libya with the intent to overthrow its government are unjust and illegal acts, I simply want to know if my reasoning for this conclusion matches yours.
JTT
 
  0  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 04:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
no, I think that the last invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, and the entering into the civil war in Libya with the intent to overthrow its government are unjust and illegal acts, I simply want to know if my reasoning for this conclusion matches yours.


I've actually posted my reasoning, and others, many times. I'd like to hear yours, Hawkeye, and others.

You may even enlighten Brandon.
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ehBeth
 
  1  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 04:29 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Why don't I malign those who tell Americans the truth?

Because, for the most part, I respect them.
ehBeth
 
  1  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 04:39 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:
Good for you, Canadians, that you recently shitcanned one party in your two-party system and brought in another!


errr we don't have a two-party system, either provincially or federally
ehBeth
 
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Thu 4 Jul, 2013 04:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

After thinking about this whole issue, I reverse my original opinion about "it's okay for NSA to snoop into our private lives."

I now find it quite disgusting after relating it to the Zimmerman case. Zimmerman thought Martin was up to no good even though he had no evidence of it, and Martin had every right to be walking in that neighborhood where his father lived.

The NSA is doing the same thing; making the assumption that we're all criminals before the fact, and overstepping our Constitutional rights to PRIVACY.


I think your Zimmerman/Martin analogy is quite useful.

 

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