@engineer,
engineer wrote:
But he is also a whistleblower who revealed unethical actions by his employer at very great person risk to himself. So far, he was revealed that:
- The NSA is intercepting large quantities of electronic traffic from US citizens without probable cause.
As I understand it, the NSA received an order from the FISA Court authorizing it to retrieve data from communications companies. Presumably, the NSA needed to show probable cause before receiving that order. What evidence do you have that the NSA did
not have probable cause?
engineer wrote:- The NSA is collecting phone call information about many US citizens without probable cause.
Again, where is your evidence?
engineer wrote:- Judicial oversight is a joke.
That's probably true, but then, if it has been a joke, it has been a joke since its creation in the late 1970s. We didn't need Snowden to tell us that.
engineer wrote:- The US is spying on our allies during trade negotiations.
And this bothers you why?
engineer wrote:- The US is monitoring the electronic traffic of a large number of foreign citizens who are not in any way suspected of a crime.
Again, as I understand it, the US is not intercepting the communications. Rather, it is collecting data that legally belongs to the communications companies. The phone company knows what calls I made when and to what numbers - I know that because I see the bill every month. If I didn't want the phone company to know that information, I'd write letters instead.
engineer wrote:The guy is a hero. Funny how we look at the guy who released the Pentagon Papers as a hero but this guy is a stupid lawbreaker.
Snowden may be a hero or he may be a villain. That's undecided. What's clear is that he is an accused criminal and a confessed contract-breaker. On this point, I agree with
Frank: if Snowden believes in the justification of his actions, then he should return to the US and face criminal charges for the disclosures he made and civil penalties for the contract he broke. Right now, though, he's just another guy who thinks he's above the law. I have trouble finding that particularly noble or praiseworthy.