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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 04:57 pm
@ehBeth,
Your post is the one that struck a cord, so THANK YOU!
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 05:01 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Why don't I malign those who tell Americans the truth?

Because, for the most part, I respect them.


No, Beth...why don't you respond properly to JTT's question...if you think that is what should be done?

JTT
 
  1  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 05:13 pm
@ehBeth,
[Said in a jocular, little poke in the ribs fashion]

Cut Thomas a little slack, Beth. You can't expect a guy to be all knowing.

I am very impressed by his immense wealth of knowledge outside of his chosen field.

Now if he'd only get up to speed on all the prescriptions he learned wrt the English language. Smile
ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 05:15 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I have responded. Using words.
ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 05:19 pm
@JTT,
s'ok

Thomas and I rag on each other about all kinds of things - poutine and butter tarts being highest on the list.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 05:21 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

I have responded. Using words.


Great choice.

Now tell me why I have to choose the way you chose?

JTT
 
  0  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 05:22 pm
@ehBeth,
I had a pretty good idea that was the case, Beth, which was why I decided to include my parenthetical.
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JTT
 
  1  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 05:25 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Now tell me why I have to choose the way you chose?


One reason that most would think fair, Frank - because you promised.

Another reason - because you reply, with words, when you don't have to address tough issues or you just seek to get in a dig.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 05:27 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
Now tell me why I have to choose the way you chose?


One reason that most would think fair, Frank - because you promised.

Another reason - because you reply, with words, when you don't have to address tough issues or you just seek to get in a dig.


Drunk Drunk Drunk
JTT
 
  1  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 05:46 pm
@Frank Apisa,
@JTT,

Quote:
JTT wrote:


Now tell me why I have to choose the way you chose?


One reason that most would think fair, Frank - because you promised.

Another reason - because you reply, with words, when you don't have to address tough issues or you just seek to get in a dig.


Frank Apisa, I write lots of letters to the editor and op ed pieces. I've had a letter published in The New York Times--and I was lucky enough a few years back to get a full page My Turn article in Newsweek. I've had hundreds of letters published in local newspapers--and have had tens of dozens of op ed essays and guest columns published also, replied, and I quote,

Quote:
Drunk Drunk Drunk





Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 05:58 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

@JTT,

Quote:
JTT wrote:


Now tell me why I have to choose the way you chose?


One reason that most would think fair, Frank - because you promised.

Another reason - because you reply, with words, when you don't have to address tough issues or you just seek to get in a dig.


Frank Apisa, I write lots of letters to the editor and op ed pieces. I've had a letter published in The New York Times--and I was lucky enough a few years back to get a full page My Turn article in Newsweek. I've had hundreds of letters published in local newspapers--and have had tens of dozens of op ed essays and guest columns published also, replied, and I quote,

Quote:
Drunk Drunk Drunk








Shocked Shocked Laughing Laughing Drunk Drunk
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hingehead
 
  5  
Thu 4 Jul, 2013 10:28 pm
Somewhat related, I'm appalled that Evo Morales plane was refused airspace by some European NATO states because the US suspected, wrongly, that Snowden was on board.

I'm imagining the outrage if Airforce One was forced to land somewhere other than it's destination because, say China, called favours of its allies because they suspected a Chinese dissident defector was on board.

Makes me think Assange is right to fear repatriation to Sweden.
Ceili
 
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Thu 4 Jul, 2013 11:21 pm
@hingehead,
I agree again. Can you imagine if the entire weight of the American government had shown this kind of imagination and doggedness going after the bankers who caused the housing bubble? Or I don't know, finding actual WMD before starting a war or two?
I don't blame the Bolivians for being angry. I wonder who the US government is going to piss off next?
Lordyaswas
 
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Fri 5 Jul, 2013 01:19 am
You can understand why the French are so annoyed about having their data monitored, and being bugged.

They would never do such a thing themselves.....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23178284


"..........France's foreign intelligence service intercepts computer and telephone data on a vast scale, like the controversial US Prism programme, according to the French daily Le Monde.

The data is stored on a supercomputer at the headquarters of the DGSE intelligence service, the paper says.........."

Continued on link....
Brandon9000
 
  0  
Fri 5 Jul, 2013 04:43 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

That you ask such nonsensical questions, Brandon, illustrates that you haven't been following,

But that's the norm for you, and Okie and MM and H2oman and ... . You don't read stuff that describes the evil the US has engaged in for over a century. If you were the open minded individual you are pretending to be, you would have seen the hundreds of articles documenting this evil.

Making an assertion about the character of a poster is not an argument against his ideas or an argument for yours. You refer to hundreds of incidents, but then mysteriously refuse to give a single example. Give me one specific example so that it can actually be debated. You are afraid to debate one, single example. All you can do is make vague references to massive wrongdoing, but run away when asked to give an example. I'm still waiting.
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Thomas
 
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Fri 5 Jul, 2013 06:27 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Thomas wrote:
Good for you, Canadians, that you recently shitcanned one party in your two-party system and brought in another!

errr we don't have a two-party system, either provincially or federally

Ah, there you go again, ruining my vision with facts. Shame on you! Anyway, I'm talking about the way you traded in your Liberal Party for the New Democratic Party. I wish the United States was ready to do the same.
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ehBeth
 
  1  
Fri 5 Jul, 2013 07:06 am
@hingehead,
The Evo Morales incident shouldn't have been shocking given the other things emanating from the US but it still managed to startle me.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 5 Jul, 2013 08:39 am
@Lordyaswas,
UK blocks crucial espionage talks between US and Europe:
Quote:
[...]
The talks on Prism and data privacy have been arranged to coincide with the trade talks in an attempt to defuse the transatlantic tension. EU diplomats and officials say the offer of talks by the Americans is designed to enable the leaders of Germany and France to save face following revelations about the scale of US espionage – particularly in Germany, but also of French and other European embassies and missions in the US.
[...]
Senior EU diplomats, officials, and government ministers confirmed that Britain opposed most of the rest of the EU on joint European talks with the Americans on intelligence and espionage, meaning that national governments will need to pursue the issues separately with Washington.
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joefromchicago
 
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Fri 5 Jul, 2013 09:02 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

But he is also a whistleblower who revealed unethical actions by his employer at very great person risk to himself. So far, he was revealed that:
- The NSA is intercepting large quantities of electronic traffic from US citizens without probable cause.

As I understand it, the NSA received an order from the FISA Court authorizing it to retrieve data from communications companies. Presumably, the NSA needed to show probable cause before receiving that order. What evidence do you have that the NSA did not have probable cause?

engineer wrote:
- The NSA is collecting phone call information about many US citizens without probable cause.

Again, where is your evidence?

engineer wrote:
- Judicial oversight is a joke.

That's probably true, but then, if it has been a joke, it has been a joke since its creation in the late 1970s. We didn't need Snowden to tell us that.

engineer wrote:
- The US is spying on our allies during trade negotiations.

And this bothers you why?

engineer wrote:
- The US is monitoring the electronic traffic of a large number of foreign citizens who are not in any way suspected of a crime.

Again, as I understand it, the US is not intercepting the communications. Rather, it is collecting data that legally belongs to the communications companies. The phone company knows what calls I made when and to what numbers - I know that because I see the bill every month. If I didn't want the phone company to know that information, I'd write letters instead.

engineer wrote:
The guy is a hero. Funny how we look at the guy who released the Pentagon Papers as a hero but this guy is a stupid lawbreaker.

Snowden may be a hero or he may be a villain. That's undecided. What's clear is that he is an accused criminal and a confessed contract-breaker. On this point, I agree with Frank: if Snowden believes in the justification of his actions, then he should return to the US and face criminal charges for the disclosures he made and civil penalties for the contract he broke. Right now, though, he's just another guy who thinks he's above the law. I have trouble finding that particularly noble or praiseworthy.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 5 Jul, 2013 09:10 am
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:

As I understand it, the NSA received an order from the FISA Court authorizing it to retrieve data from communications companies. Presumably, the NSA needed to show probable cause before receiving that order.
The NSA asked for about 34,000 times since that court was established. In 2008, the court rejected one demand for the last time, and only this one in that year, 11 since forming the court = a total rejection rate of 0.03%.
 

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