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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
JTT
 
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Mon 12 Aug, 2013 08:42 am
@izzythepush,
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I know you think terrorists should be allowed to blow up civilians in the UK and USA and we shouldn't be able to do anything about it.


Two complete red herrings, Izzy, not to mention lies. Why would you condemn Advocate and Oralboy for this and then do it yourself?

Are you so comfortable with your government committing war crimes that you feel compelled to include yourselves in "we"? Why do you think it is alright to commit war crimes by attacking a sovereign nation? Afghanistan didn't have anything to do with 9-11.

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You must really miss the public beheadings in Kabul's football stadium.


Stupid, really stupid, Izzy.
JTT
 
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Mon 12 Aug, 2013 09:17 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
I know you think terrorists should be allowed to blow up civilians in the UK and USA and we shouldn't be able to do anything about it.


You have a lot of gall whining about some tiny little attacks on the UK when the UK has been responsible for hundreds of years of terrorism against innumerable countries. How long a string of terrorism did the UK heap on Afghanistan when it attempted to make it another colony?
izzythepush
 
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Mon 12 Aug, 2013 11:51 am
@JTT,
You've got a lot of gall to call others cowards when you won't even give your nationality.

Basically what you're saying is because of the crimes of the British empire you should be able to kill as many of us as you want.

izzythepush
 
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Mon 12 Aug, 2013 11:52 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Afghanistan didn't have anything to do with 9-11.


Al Qaida carried out 9/11. Afghanistan sheltered the perpetrators.
JTT
 
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Mon 12 Aug, 2013 12:08 pm
@izzythepush,
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Al Qaida carried out 9/11. Afghanistan sheltered the perpetrators.


The 2nd part is false. But regardless, the US shelters all manner of terrorist perpetrators of much more serious crimes. The US continually mounts terrorist attacks on others. Is this what the people of the UK want to be involved in, aiding and abetting the largest terrorist organization on the planet?

Further, international law does not allow the invasion of sovereign nations for this purpose. Nicaragua and Cuba go to the UN for relief for much more serious transgressions.

Had the US and its poodles dealt with this as law abiding nations instead of rogue nations, no one would have died.

JTT
 
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Mon 12 Aug, 2013 12:14 pm
@izzythepush,
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Basically what you're saying is because of the crimes of the British empire you should be able to kill as many of us as you want.


I'm not saying that at all. You say the damn silliest things when you get called on your prevarications.

I'm suggesting that you quit your whining when you, the UK and the US are responsible for much much much worse terrorist activities.
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izzythepush
 
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Mon 12 Aug, 2013 12:16 pm
@JTT,
The second part is not false. Afghanistan refused to hand over the perpetrators.

What legal steps could be followed that would have caught Bin Laden?
JTT
 
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Mon 12 Aug, 2013 12:25 pm
@izzythepush,
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The second part is not false. Afghanistan refused to hand over the perpetrators.


It is false. Do a little research, Izzy.

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What legal steps could be followed that would have caught Bin Laden?


Why would you be concerned about catching bin Laden and bringing him to justice? I've never heard or seen you suggesting any actions to bring all the US terrorists against Cuba to justice.

The same legal steps that Nicaragua and Cuba and all the other countries involved in such disputes take at the UN to resolve these things in a civilized, rule of law fashion, which, of course, the US then just ignores.

izzythepush
 
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Mon 12 Aug, 2013 12:40 pm
@JTT,
I have researched it, and if you're going to go down the conspiracy nut route about America or Israel being behind 9/11 you've lost what little credibility you had.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 12 Aug, 2013 12:46 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
I've never heard or seen you suggesting any actions to bring all the US terrorists against Cuba to justice.


Why don't you do something then. You're all mouth and trousers.
JTT
 
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Mon 12 Aug, 2013 12:50 pm
@izzythepush,
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I have researched it, and if you're going to go down the conspiracy nut route about America or Israel being behind 9/11 you've lost what little credibility you had.


And what has your "research" found?

See what I mean, Izzy. You say the nuttiest things when you get caught out on your prevarications. You never answered on the Japan-Holocaust thread either.

Dismal performances, Izzy. I thought you were better than this.
JTT
 
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Mon 12 Aug, 2013 12:52 pm
@izzythepush,
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Why don't you do something then. You're all mouth and trousers.


I am doing something. I'm stopping people like you from spreading lies to help cover the UK and the US's terrorist activities/war crimes.

What are you doing but helping legitimize them.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 12 Aug, 2013 01:09 pm
@JTT,
You're not doing anything. Almost everyone has you on ignore. I'm one of a handful of people who even bothers to talk to you.
JTT
 
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Mon 12 Aug, 2013 01:13 pm
@izzythepush,
You sure seem to know an awful lot about what goes on, Izzy, but like your previous stupid statements, it's all based on silly conjecture and anger because you've been caught out.

That's childish, and now you want to bring your daughter into this to illustrate to her that you resort to vicious juvenile taunts when you can muster a reasoned argument.

What of your research?
izzythepush
 
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Mon 12 Aug, 2013 01:29 pm
@JTT,
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/18/world/a-nation-challenged-last-chance-taliban-refuse-quick-decision-over-bin-laden.html
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 12 Aug, 2013 06:07 pm
@izzythepush,
Obama orders panel to review of spying abuses. What a joke!
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President Barack Obama on Monday ordered Director of National Intelligence James Clapper to create a special committee charged with reviewing America’s high-tech spying programs.

Obama’s memo to Clapper, made public by the White House, calls for the creation of a “Review Group on Intelligence and Communications Technologies” that will have until Dec.15th to report back.

“The Review Group will assess whether, in light of advancements in communications technologies, the United States employs its technical collection capabilities in a manner that optimally protects our national security and advances our foreign policy while appropriately accounting for other policy considerations, such as the risk of unauthorized disclosure and our need to maintain the public trust,” Obama said in the memo.

The order came after a former aide to Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon ― one of the program's fiercest critics in Congress ― delivered a body blow to Obama’s frequent claim that he welcomes the debate over the sweeping collection of Americans’ phone and Internet records.
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JTT
 
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Mon 12 Aug, 2013 09:26 pm
@izzythepush,
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In a day of talks in the Afghan city of Kandahar, the hard-line Islamic clerics who lead the Taliban demanded ''convincing evidence'' that Mr. bin Laden was responsible for the attacks last week in New York and Washington, officials in Pakistan said.


That's reasonable.

The FBI said they didn't have enough proof that OBL was responsible for 9-11. The US went ahead on a pretext. The US pushed to invade because the Taliban were the US's main guys until they told Unocal that it wasn't going to get the pipeline it wanted. Then the Taliban became the bad guys.

But regardless, it was still a war crime/a crime against humanity committed by the US and the poodles.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 12:20 am
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The National Security Agency violated privacy rules protecting the communications of Americans and others on domestic soil 2,776 times over a one-year period, according to an internal audit leaked by the former N.S.A. contractor Edward J. Snowden and made public on Thursday night.
[...]

Source and full report @ New York Times

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zps97a2d0fc.jpg
Source and full Washington Post report
revelette
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 06:21 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Obviously, changes need to be made. I am not sure I understand the chart. From the chart it looks like Presidential orders made most of the violations. But the article says mostly "inadequate or insufficient research" when selecting wiretaps targets.



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The violations, according to the May 2012 audit, stemmed largely from operator and system errors like “inadequate or insufficient research” when selecting wiretap targets.

The largest number of episodes — 1,904 — appeared to be “roamers,” in which a foreigner whose cellphone was being wiretapped without a warrant came to the United States, where individual warrants are required. A spike in such problems in a single quarter, the report said, could be because of Chinese citizens visiting friends and family for the Chinese Lunar New Year holiday.

“Roamer incidents are largely unpreventable, even with good target awareness and traffic review, since target travel activities are often unannounced and not easily predicted,” the report says.
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revelette
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 07:39 am
Here is another article about it:

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WASHINGTON — The National Security Agency has broken privacy rules or overstepped its legal authority thousands of times each year since Congress granted the agency broad new powers in 2008, The Washington Post reported Thursday.

Most of the infractions involve unauthorized surveillance of Americans or foreign intelligence targets in the United States, both of which are restricted by law and executive order. They range from significant violations of law to typographical errors that resulted in unintended interception of U.S. emails and telephone calls, the Post said, citing an internal audit and other top-secret documents provided it earlier this summer from NSA leaker Edward Snowden, a former systems analyst with the agency.

In one of the documents, agency personnel are instructed to remove details and substitute more generic language in reports to the Justice Department and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

The Post cited a 2008 example of the interception of a "large number" of calls placed from Washington when a programming error confused U.S. area code 202 for 20, the international dialing code for Egypt, according to a "quality assurance" review that was not distributed to the NSA's oversight staff.

In another case, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which has authority over some NSA operations, did not learn about a new collection method until it had been in operation for many months. The court ruled it unconstitutional.

The NSA audit obtained by the Post dated May 2012, counted 2,776 incidents in the preceding 12 months of unauthorized collection, storage, access to or distribution of legally protected communications. Most were unintended. Many involved failures of due diligence or violations of standard operating procedure. The most serious incidents included a violation of a court order and unauthorized use of data about more than 3,000 Americans and green-card holders.

In an emailed statement to The Associated Press late Thursday, John DeLong, NSA's director of compliance, said, "We want people to report if they have made a mistake or even if they believe that an NSA activity is not consistent with the rules. NSA, like other regulated organizations, also has a `hotline' for people to report – and no adverse action or reprisal can be taken for the simple act of reporting. We take each report seriously, investigate the matter, address the issue, constantly look for trends and address them as well – all as a part of NSA's internal oversight and compliance efforts. What's more, we keep our overseers informed through both immediate reporting and periodic reporting."


source

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