Snowdon is a dummy

@Moment-in-Time,

Moment-in-Time wrote:

I'm merely on the side line, a watcher, not a participant of this scenario in which I hold very strong views, and that is one does not take a vow of loyalty to one's country and then turn right around and do the extreme opposite.

You have rationalized a lot of the worst of what humans have done with this statement.

Please think about what you are saying.

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@Moment-in-Time,

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hat is one does not take a vow of loyalty to one's country and then turn right around and do the extreme opposite.

Americans normally take an oath to defend the constitution of the US and if those in power are secretly breaking the words or even the spirit of that constitution then that oath would seems to dictated that you take actions to notify your fellow citizens.

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@RABEL222,

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I think we have been truly brainwashed.

I couldn`t agree more, Rabel. There is no doubt whatsoever that the American people have been subjected to massive brainwashing.

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Column: What Snowden Can Expect to Find in Russia Besides Asylum

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@revelette,

Considering his US alternative, Russia is a heaven on earth, Rev.

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@JTT,

Its just sort of amazing to me that people might think Snowden is going to just live in Russia fancy free. It reminds me of someone who leave his wife for a younger woman. Don't you think that younger woman is gonna think he is going to leave her when something better comes along? Russia is not going to trust Snowden any further than they can throw him.

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@revelette,

"Russia" doesn't need to trust him. He's probably not going to get a government job, but I'm sure some IT company will offer him something. He knows about how the US mines data. That's a skill set someone will pay for. Another reason to offer him a deal to come back to the US.

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@revelette,

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Russia is not going to trust Snowden any further than they can throw him.

As E has mentioned, Russia doesn't have to trust him. But as far as trust goes that's another reason the US should want him back. Trustworthy people are so few and far between there. There are a lot of folks who will back the war criminals and the terrorists but truly trustworthy folks, no, not so many.

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@engineer,

He got (a limited) asylum. He can stay there, with all the restrictions an asylum seeker has - and the Russian Law on Refugees is worse than similar laws in most other countries.
However, with temporary asylum, Snowden can choose to stay at one of the migration service’s special refugee centres and can possibly work legally on Russian territory.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I wonder who's going to "support" him. Moscow isn't exactly a cheap place to live.

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@cicerone imposter,

There are lots of Americans masquerading as English teachers all over the world, CI. Smile

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

I wonder who's going to "support" him. Moscow isn't exactly a cheap place to live.

The Russian state, in the migration service’s special refugee centres, will give the support (Similar, like it is done in other European countries for asylum seekers/refugees).
I don't know, if he will stay in one in or around Moscow or elsewhere.

According to Elena Ryabinina, a human rights lawyer who works with asylum seekers, most of her clients get offered a bed in a centre near Perm - a city by the Ural mountains, more than 1,000 km east of Moscow.

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@Walter Hinteler,

He also still has family and friends stateside who may be offering financial support. And then there's wikileaks which seems to have been supporting him (perhaps financially) to date.

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In addition to the NSA metadata collections we now know that the DEA has been directing local police to dummy up reasons to pull over specific vehicles and then "stumble upon" drugs while doing a car search (and then instructs law enforcement to cover up the tips received). We also know that the FBI is hacking into home computers to spy on Americans (they say they get a court order) even though there's no way to prevent spying on other users of those computers.

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/fbi-hacking-squad-used-domestic-investigations-experts-say-6C10851882

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130805/10035024070/dea-not-only-gets-intelligence-data-then-is-instructed-to-cover-up-where-it-gets-info.shtml

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What I don't understand is why Snowden didn't head to Bolivia in the first place if that's where he wanted asylum - he could have blown the whistle from there. Here he spent n weeks in limbo and now he's stuck in Russia, where you couldn't pay me to go.

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@Mame,

Mame wrote:

What I don't understand is why Snowden didn't head to Bolivia in the first place if that's where he wanted asylum - he could have blown the whistle from there. Here he spent n weeks in limbo and now he's stuck in Russia, where you couldn't pay me to go.

Does make ya wonder, doesn't it!!!

The guy is definitely not what some people are making him out to be.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Does make ya wonder, doesn't it!!!

Actually, Bolivia was the last of the Latin American countries to offer asylum - he was already in Moscow at that time.

"Obviously, he isn’t going to Venezuela or Ecuador or Bolivia or Nicaragua or Russia or wherever he ends up because he thinks they’re bastions of civil liberties protections. He’s going there because as Daniel Ellsberg said in a Washington Pot Op-Ed, this country is no longer safe for whistleblowers," Greenwald stated in an interview.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

The guy is definitely not what some people are making him out to be.

And exactly what are some people making him out to be? Most say, he's a whistleblower. Some say, he's a traitor ...

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@Walter Hinteler,

Okay, but my point is why didn't he go to a country that he speculated might accept his application, which had no reciprocity extradition treaty with the US first?

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@Mame,

He did. That's at least one of the reasons why he's in Russia.

(The other is that Moscow was initially intended as a temporary stopover on his journey, as Snowden was believed to be headed to Ecuador via Cuba. However, he ended up getting stranded at Moscow’s Sheremetyevo Airport after the US government revoked his passport. )

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