Snowdon is a dummy

@Moment-in-Time,

Moment-in-Time wrote:

Snowden is prepared to stop leaking information under Russian orders, that is, to stop trying to harm America. That hasn't stopped the journalist, Greenwald, who works for the UK Guardian Unlimited, who was given vast amount of information; this action by Greenwald simply intensifies the fervent desire to capture Snowden more so than ever.

I would think it's the opposite. Capturing Snowden would accelerate the leaking of information since Snowden's deadman switch would be activated and Greenwald wouldn't be stopped anyway. The only reason to capture Snowden at this point is retribution. It's not going to stop any leaks.

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

Sorry Frank but I have to disagree with you about the government keeping secrets. I can see keeping secret something that might have consequences for the safety of the country. But how can you justify keeping secret from my elected rep the voting of a part of congress that is supposed to be open to all reps. This is nothing more than someone covering their ass with this secrecy label. Hell were becoming Russia by keeping secret things that we all have a right to know. I have never liked a part of congress labeling something secret. As you pointed out you cant trust a politician, so how can you justify letting them decide what should and should not be a secret?

I appreciate your feelings on this issue...and I strongly disagree with you on them.

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@Moment-in-Time,

Moment-in-Time wrote:

Snowden is prepared to stop leaking information under Russian orders, that is, to stop trying to harm America.

Interesting perspective. I disagree that Snowden is trying to harm America.

I believe he is trying to help America by trying to force citizens into looking at what their government bureaucracy has been trying to hide.

Disturbing to see American citizens so willing to accept their government's behaviour.

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@engineer,

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Moment-in-Time wrote:

Snowden is prepared to stop leaking information under Russian orders, that is, to stop trying to harm America. That hasn't stopped the journalist, Greenwald, who works for the UK Guardian Unlimited, who was given vast amount of information; this action by Greenwald simply intensifies the fervent desire to capture Snowden more so than ever.

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Engineer wrote:
I would think it's the opposite. Capturing Snowden would accelerate the leaking of information since Snowden's deadman switch would be activated and Greenwald wouldn't be stopped anyway. The only reason to capture Snowden at this point is retribution. It's not going to stop any leaks.

You're correct, of course, however, when the passions are aroused, many times caution is thrown to the winds. I believe it as exactly that infamous interview by Jeff Greenwald that triggered so much anger against the Journalist. Greenwald claims there were propaganda reports circulating that he had been caught up in a pedophilia ring.

There are two sides to this miserable tale; the psychological effect that one might be assassinated at any time and the knowledge he, a journalist, is trying to outwit the most powerful nation on earth, might be slightly intimidating in the long wrong.

I'm merely on the side line, a watcher, not a participant of this scenario in which I hold very strong views, and that is one does not take a vow of loyalty to one's country and then turn right around and do the extreme opposite.

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@JPB,

I really hadn't been keeping up with all the different aspects to the spying issue, so was ignorant of the subject you brought up in this post. I googled it, turned up on motherjones.

Justice Department Fights Release of Secret Court Opinion Finding Unconstitutional Surveillance

I am disappointed in the administration in regards to this issue. They seem to go out of their way to keep all this a secret after talking about transparency before becoming president.

As on the article, some of the information might very well need to be kept classified, however, there should be a better way and way more people involved in overseeing all these things so the public could have more trust in NSA and the whole nine yards.

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@ehBeth,

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Disturbing to see American citizens so willing to accept their government's behaviour.

That's an interesting observation when our government started so many wars based on lies, our congress has not functioned since Obama took office in 2008, and we now have revelations that our government is eaves-dropping on our telephone and internet communications.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it makes for an interesting dichotomy about American life.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Yes, Bill...I understand that you do...and I thank you for sharing that information again.

I disagree.

Of course you do not, as to you having a super Hoover blackmailing congress and Presidents and federal judges is not a risk to our freedoms.

Hoover with a tiny tiny fraction of the materials that the NSA is sweeping in daily was held in fear by Presidents and congress over his career.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Yes, Bill...I understand that you do...and I thank you for sharing that information again.

I disagree.

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Of course you do not...

What on Earth are you saying here????

Who the hell are you to say that I do not?

I most assuredly do.

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...as to you having a super Hoover blackmailing congress and Presidents and federal judges is not a risk to our freedoms.

What does that mean. I see that the words are English...but some order and sense is needed. I honestly do not understand what you are saying.

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Hoover with a tiny tiny fraction of the materials that the NSA is sweeping in daily was held in fear by Presidents and congress over his career.

Okay...and your point is????

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

To me it seems that the national safety and freedoms are far more at risk by a completely out of control intelligent community then some middle east terrorists.

Yes, but the intelligence community is not out of control. The programs were authorized by law and comply with the Constitution.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

So the USA operatives still can, during that year of asylum, grab Snowden off the streets of Moscow and deliver him to the Eastern District courtroom ...

Nice thinking. But I still say just DroneStrike the little bugger.

One quick thermobaric fireball would solve the whole problem. Bonus points if we can score some collateral damage in the process.

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

I would think it's the opposite. Capturing Snowden would accelerate the leaking of information since Snowden's deadman switch would be activated and Greenwald wouldn't be stopped anyway. The only reason to capture Snowden at this point is retribution. It's not going to stop any leaks.

So be it. Let's get on with the retribution. And let's make that retribution horrible enough that future traitors will have second thoughts.

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

Disturbing to see American citizens so willing to accept their government's behaviour.

Our government is behaving just fine.

We want our spies to be out there looking for incoming terrorist attacks.

Our legislature voted to authorize, reauthorize, and reauthorize again this spying program.

We like it and we're happy with it.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Our government is behaving just fine.

We like it and we're happy with it.

I'll keep that in mind the next time you disagree with what your government is doing.

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@Moment-in-Time,

You do know that Snowdon had claimed to had set up deadman switches that will released a hell of a lot more information if he run into problems?

Amazing how a fairly low level person once more was able to get his hands of such information is it not?

All the treasure trove of private information on every American and a large part of the rest of the world is being safe guarded by the same fools that allowed Snowdon and Manning such access to secrets!!!!!!!!!!

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@oralloy,

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Yes, but the intelligence community is not out of control. The programs were authorized by law and comply with the Constitution.

Come on I just ripped out a number of connections at my computer desk when I fell over laughing........... Drunk

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@oralloy,

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Our government is behaving just fine.

There has never been a time when US governments behaved just fine.

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@Moment-in-Time,

Are you saying that a citizen dosent have the right to point out wrong doing by your government because they tell you that right or wrong you owe allegeance to the government. That sounds like it came right out of communist Russia or Hitlers Germany. If this is what you believe, I think we have been truly brainwashed. And please JTT none of your stupid comments.

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@Moment-in-Time,

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I'm merely on the side line, a watcher, not a participant of this scenario in which I hold very strong views, and that is one does not take a vow of loyalty to one's country and then turn right around and do the extreme opposite.

How many times must it be said, MiT, you cannot and need not give a vow of loyalty to war criminals and terrorists. What you are doing and what you are asking of Snowden is amoral. When you consider that Snowden is among a miniscule number of people who have taken a moral stance, it ought to scare the daylights out of you.

That it doesn't is scary.

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I believe it as exactly that infamous interview by Jeff Greenwald

Ummmm, it's Glenn Greenwald, dear.

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@cicerone imposter,

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That's an interesting observation when our government started so many wars based on lies, our congress has not functioned since Obama took office in 2008, and we now have revelations that our government is eaves-dropping on our telephone and internet communications.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it makes for an interesting dichotomy about American life.

You think this is something new, CI. Not in the least. This has been the modus operandi of the US for a long long time.

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@oralloy,

Oralboy:

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So be it. Let's get on with the retribution. And let's make that retribution horrible enough that future traitors will have second thoughts.

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Our government is behaving just fine.

You revel at the thought of extra-judicial murders and this is exactly what your governments are famous for so one has to ask, one has to wonder how the US can be considered a rule of law country. In many respects, the US is very much the same as Nazi Germany, at its worst.

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Our legislature voted to authorize, reauthorize, and reauthorize again this spying program.

We've heard this. It's simply another example of the equivalent of the Reichstag rubber stamping Hitler's plans.

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