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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 05:48 am
@izzythepush,
See the article I had already posted concerning that bullshit a tiny bit of truth bury in a mountain of bullshit.

In any case the likelihood of their being a Nazis government in power to start with is null but for the actions of France and England after WW1.

So if the UK and France had not set up the conditions for a Hitler to come to power there would had likely been no WW2 and it was not a surprise as at the times of the so call peace treaty that it would lead to another great war.

Quote:
"This is not a peace. It is an armistice for 20 years." (Ferdinand Foch, after the Treaty of Versailles was composed, 1919)


Quote:


http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/keynes-predicts-economic-chaos
John Maynard Keynes

"Nothing can then delay for very long the forces of Reaction and the despairing convulsions of Revolution, before which the horrors of the later German war will fade into nothing, and which will destroy, whoever is victor, the civilisation and the progress of our generation.”


izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 05:58 am
@BillRM,
All you write is revisionist bullshit. You start off blaming Britain and France for WW2 when America didn't exactly take a leading role in reconstruction post WW1. Then you bury your head in the sand when the truth appears of the extent to which the Nazis were financed by Americans.

Your blinkered xenophobia won't make up for the disgust most right minded people, (including most Americans) fell for the way you praise paedophiles and racist murdering cops whilst at the same time denigrating women and children.

The reason Americans like you actively supported and financed the Nazis is because you're no different. Saying a white cop should be able to kill a motorist because he's black is exactly what the Nazis did if you substitute black for Jewish. You're no different.

Fortunately you lost, the Nazis were beaten, Jim Crow was abolished, and inbred tea baggers like you are a relic of the bad old days. The demographic is changing and your white privilege won't keep you out of jail forever.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 06:30 am
@izzythepush,
Both France and English rejected Wilson plans for a just peace so there is no question that action set up the conditions for Hitler to come into power and for the need of the US to rescue your asses a second time in a generation.

Quote:
The reason Americans like you actively supported and financed the Nazis


There would not had been any Nazis in power but for your nation and France actions after WW1 in the first place.

The blame fall hundred percent for WW2 on England and France not the US.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 07:03 am
@BillRM,
Anyone who would blame the US for WW2 is insane. This said, France and the UK did contribute I guess, but the main players were the Germans themselves.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 07:07 am
@Olivier5,
Well they surely, the Germans, DID put a madman into power but the conditions where they would do so was set up by the very bad terms that France and England gave them after WW1.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 07:32 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

.. the conditions where they would do so was set up by the very bad terms that France and England gave them after WW1.
Just commenting on "very bad terms that France and England gave them after WW1."
http://i66.tinypic.com/1444ego.jpg
Treaty between the U.S. and German governments, signed in Berlin on August 25, 1921. Ratifications were exchanged in Berlin on November 11, 1921, and the treaty became effective on the same day.
This treaty not only allowed the USA allowed to take the value of former German properties in America but gave them exactly the same rights as any other of the allies.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 07:40 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Are you stating or implying that the then government of the US did not try to get their allies to give far better terms after WW1 to Germany then they received??

An of course the US was a signer of the peace treaty.

Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 07:55 am
@BillRM,
It's a popular idea but it can't be proven. Perhaps Hitler would have been elected irrespective of the Versailles Treaty. Where I think France and the UK are clearly in the wrong is in letting Hitler's Reich re-arm. They should have invaded, re-occupied the darn place, and put Hitler in jail.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 08:04 am
@Olivier5,
You do know that France did in fact invaded Germany and occupation areas of Germany for a fairly long time period in order to enforce their WW1 payments?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 08:41 am
@BillRM,
It's fairly obvious what Walt is saying. I don't think anyone can be bothered explaining it to you. This site is called able2know, not Basic English for Beginners.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 09:07 am
@BillRM,
Yes, and we should have stayed.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 10:31 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Yes, and we should have stayed.


Nothing wiser then to made a blood enemy of a nation with double your population and resources on your border.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 12:06 pm
@BillRM,
And yet that's what the allies did after WW2...
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 12:13 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
And yet that's what the allies did after WW2...


To who?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 12:35 pm
@BillRM,
Germany and Japan. The allied occupied them, i mean.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 01:02 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
An of course the US was a signer of the peace treaty.
Not of the Versailles Treaty (1919) Therefore, that one in Berlin was signed two years later.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 01:07 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Germany and Japan.
Not to forget Austria.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 01:31 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Nothing wiser then to made a blood enemy of a nation with double your population and resources on your border.

On 24 January 1923, the US Army withdrew from the occupation of the Rhine. Frnce and Belgium then (1923) occupied the 'Ruhrgebiet' in response to German failure to pay reparations under the Treaty of Versailles

Actually, the NSDAP didn't get the most votes in there, quite the opposite:
http://i68.tinypic.com/2nsx6hw.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/219vxqo.jpg
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 01:52 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Germany and Japan. The allied occupied them, i mean


An we pour billions in to rebuilt unlike trying to take billions away as the allies did to Germany after WW1 and as soon as possible we ended the military governments and turn governments over to the locals.

If a small fraction of that treatment was given to Germany after WW1 that was given after WW2 Hitler would had ended his life as an unknown bum.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 01:55 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Or Vietnam.
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