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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 09:04 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Just to verify: the Court of Justice alone has jurisdiction to declare an EU act invalid, not oralloy or anyone else.
And with the ruling, thee Court of Justice declared that the Commission’s US Safe Harbour Decision is invalid.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 09:06 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
So, in your opinion, reasonable people disobey court rulings and disregard laws.
That's what I always thought to be your idea, thanks!

No, in my opinion, and also in reality, reasonable people sideline you unreasonable people so that you fail in your attempts to wreak havoc throughout the world.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 09:09 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Just to verify: the Court of Justice alone has jurisdiction to declare an EU act invalid, not oralloy or anyone else.
And with the ruling, thee Court of Justice declared that the Commission’s US Safe Harbour Decision is invalid.

Just to verify: reasonable people in the EU are already working to sideline that ruling so as to avoid a pointless trade war.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 09:15 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
... to sideline that ruling ...
There are indeed people - namely the same as before - trying to create a different act which would comply with the law.
If you call that 'sideline', okay with me.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 09:22 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
There are indeed people - namely the same as before - trying to create a different act which would comply with the law.
If you call that 'sideline', okay with me.

I do call that 'sideline'.

(And if they fail in their current attempt, they will keep trying until they succeed.)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 09:31 am
@oralloy,
Well that's how laws (and EU acts) are made, isn't it?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2015 09:32 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Date 26.10.2015
Author Brian Beary, Washington
[...]
The invalidation of an agreement that allows personal data to flow between Europe and the US has prodded officials to search for a new solution. Facebook and NSA mass surveillance are at the center of the debate.

"It has been an earthquake, 7.8 on the Richter scale," US Federal Trade Commissioner Julie Brill said of the European Court of Justice (ECJ)'s October 6 ruling that voided the agreement used for the past 15 years to deal with the big variances between EU and US data privacy rules. Brill, speaking at a recent European Institute breakfast in Washington's Cosmos Club, added, "It is kind of like the abortion and gun-control debates here wrapped up in one."
[...]
EU Ambassador to the US David O'Sullivan told DW: "We would all prefer to have a new Safe Harbor regime and we understand the urgency of the issue." O'Sullivan is confident that a successor agreement, one which fully integrates the new ECJ case-law, will ensure Europeans' privacy rights are respected without needing to interrupt data flows.

Companies are nervous, mindful that if they make a wrong move they can be alternately fined for breaching privacy law, forced to interrupt personal data flows, or required to make costly changes to their corporate structure or governance. "There is going to be a lot of losers from this ruling," said Daniel Castro, vice president of the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation (ITIF), a Washington think-tank focused on the digital economy.
[...]
While governments and businesses want to see swift conclusion of a "Safe Harbor 2.0," Marc Rotenberg, president of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, an advocacy group in Washington, doubted that such a new regime will withstand further legal challenges.

European and American privacy frameworks are simply too different to enable transfers to continue legally, he maintained. In particular, the US - unlike Europe - has no overarching data-privacy law for the commercial sector. Moreover, the NSA - a public authority - cannot claim to provide adequate protection of personal data if - as alleged - it runs surveillance programs that collect emails and phone records from hundreds of millions of ordinary citizens.

Ambassador O'Sullivan acknowledged that the big sticking point in the EU Commission-US Department of Commerce negotiations on a new Safe Harbor is government surveillance. But he insisted there has been progress. In June, the US enacted legislation to rein in the NSA's ability to do dragnet surveillance of Americans' phone records. That legislative fix - the USA Freedom Act - notably excluded from its scope surveillance of people living outside the US.

And on October 20, the US House of Representatives passed the Judicial Redress Act, which gives Europeans the right to petition US courts if they feel a US government agency is misusing their data. The bill still needs to pass the Senate and be signed by President Obama (who supports it). In addition, EU and US negotiators are near to finalizing a so-called umbrella agreement that lays down privacy rules for when their police and criminal justice authorities share information with each other.

But despite these moves towards rapprochement, the issue is likely to remain an irritant for transatlantic relations even if a successor Safe Harbor agreement is wrapped up, given the chasm between the European and American legal systems.

In the face of this conundrum, the president of Microsoft is floating a more radical solution: that US authorities wanting to access an EU resident's personal data would need to get permission from the individual's home county, with requests assessed according to their own, not US, law. In a recent blog post, Brad Smith, who serves as Microsoft's chief legal officer, said this solution, crucially, would comply with the ECJ's demand that America provide "essentially equivalent" protection to Europeans' personal data.

"Privacy really is a fundamental right," argued Smith. "We need to ensure across the Atlantic that people's legal rights move their data."
Source & full report
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 29 Oct, 2015 03:44 pm
European Parliament Urges Protection for Edward Snowden

James Kanter and Sewell Chan, in their New York Times article wrote:
BRUSSELS — The European Parliament narrowly adopted a nonbinding but nonetheless forceful resolution on Thursday urging the 28 nations of the European Union to recognize Edward J. Snowden as a “whistle-blower and international human rights defender” and to shield him from prosecution.

...

Whether to grant Mr. Snowden asylum remains a decision for the individual European governments, and thus far, none have done so.

Still, the resolution was the strongest statement of support seen for Mr. Snowden from the European Parliament. At the same time, the close vote — 285 to 281 — suggested the extent to which some European lawmakers are wary of alienating the United States.


more...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 8 Nov, 2015 03:48 am
Quote:
[...]In all probability, there wouldn’t have been a new investigatory powers bill without Edward Snowden and his Guardian revelations that galvanised change from the Obama administration and moved the whole issue of state surveillance centre stage in Britain. There wouldn’t have been specific clauses to safeguard the rights of journalists and doctors. And we wouldn’t have known, almost incidentally, (to quote the Daily Mail) that MI5 “has been hoovering up our email and phone records while operating in a shady area of an outdated law” – in short, that this whole shady area needed drastic reform.
[...]
Either spying and secrecy are part of the problem of transparency and trustworthiness , or they’re not. Either Snowden played his part and ignited the issue, or it somehow self-ignited. Either you trust the latest reassurances from on high, or you don’t.
Source
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 8 Nov, 2015 05:31 am
Either Japanese Admiral Yamamoto planned the attack on Pearl Harbor and ignited the American decision to enter World War II (including fighting in Europe)…or somehow it self-ignited.

We should be either grateful to Yamamoto for what he did…or consider him to be responsible for planning a sneak attack that killed lots of people.

Wonder which it should be?


Oh…back on topic, though…I think Edward Snowden should be given a fair trial to determine whether what he did was criminal or not.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 8 Nov, 2015 05:52 am
@Frank Apisa,
We're all very grateful this side of the Atlantic, someone needed to give America a kick up the arse.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2015 04:48 pm
Quote:



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us/politics/judge-deals-a-blow-to-nsa-phone-surveillance-program.html

WASHINGTON — A federal judge on Monday partly blocked the National Security Agency’s program that systematically collects Americans’ domestic phone records in bulk just weeks before the agency was scheduled to shut it down and replace it. The judge said the program was most likely unconstitutional.

In a separate case challenging the program, a federal appeals court in New York on Oct. 30 had declined to weigh in on the constitutional issues, saying it would be imprudent to interfere with an orderly transition to a replacement system after Nov. 29.

But on Monday, in a 43-page ruling, Judge Richard J. Leon of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia wrote that the constitutional issues were too important to leave unanswered in the history of the disputed program, which traces back to the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and came to light in 2013 in leaks by Edward J. Snowden, the former intelligence contractor.

“With the government’s authority to operate the bulk telephony metadata program quickly coming to an end, this case is perhaps the last chapter in the judiciary’s evaluation of this particular program’s compatibility with the Constitution,” he wrote. “It will not, however, be the last chapter in the ongoing struggle to balance privacy rights and national security interests under our Constitution in an age of evolving technological wizardry.”

Under the program, the N.S.A. has been collecting Americans’ phone records in bulk from telephone companies. It uses the data to analyze social links between people to hunt for hidden associates of terrorism suspects.

Judge Leon specifically ordered the N.S.A. to stop collecting phone records for one customer of Verizon: a lawyer in California and his law firm. But he did so, he wrote, knowing that the Justice Department had said that blocking the collection of just one person’s records might require shutting down the entire program because it would be technically difficult to screen him out.

The Justice Department said it was reviewing the decision but had no comment about whether it would appeal the injunction. The N.S.A. did not respond to a question about how far along the replacement system is. At a surveillance conference at the Cato Institute on Oct. 21, an N.S.A. official said the agency had not yet begun testing the replacement system.

The program began based on a unilateral claim of executive power by President George W. Bush. In 2006, the Justice Department persuaded the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to begin issuing orders for the program under an interpretation of a provision of the U.S.A. Patriot Act that permits the collection of business records deemed relevant to a national-security investigation.

In June 2013, Mr. Snowden leaked one such order to a subsidiary of Verizon. After substantial debate, Congress in June enacted the U.S.A. Freedom Act, which banned bulk collection under the Patriot Act after Nov. 29, and established a replacement system under which the bulk data will stay with the phone companies but the N.S.A. can still swiftly access it.

Revelations of the program set off lawsuits challenging it as illegal on both statutory and constitutional grounds. In December 2013, Judge Leon ruled that it was most likely unconstitutional, but he issued no order at the time, permitting the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia to review his ruling.

But a week later in a different case, a federal judge in New York ruled that the program was legal. The federal appeals court in New York eventually ruled that the program was not based on a legitimate interpretation of the Patriot Act, but sidestepped the constitutional question.

Judge Leon’s ruling that the bulk collection of Americans’ calling records most likely violated the Constitution was novel because in 1979, the Supreme Court held that call logs or metadata — records showing who called whom and when, but not the content of what they said — was not protected by the Fourth Amendment.

Its ruling turned on the notion that people have no reasonable expectation of privacy over information they reveal to a third party, and they expose whom they are calling to phone companies. That case, however, involved one criminal suspect’s calls over a period of several days, not the collection of call records of everyone in the country and the storage of them over a five-year period.

Judge Leon argued that changing technological capabilities had brought call records into the ambit of Fourth Amendment protections. But last summer, an appeals court overturned his ruling on a technicality: There was not enough evidence that the plaintiffs in the case before Judge Leon — including Larry Klayman, the conservative legal activist — had their calls collected by the program. Mr. Klayman was a not a customer of the Verizon subsidiary in the order Mr. Snowden leaked.

The appeals court sent the case back to Judge Leon, who suggested to Mr. Klayman that he add a plaintiff who was a customer of the Verizon subsidiary in the leaked order. He did so: J.J. Little, a trial lawyer in California, and his law firm.

Judge Leon issued the injunction on Monday for Mr. Little’s records, not Mr. Klayman’s.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2015 04:58 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
We're all very grateful this side of the Atlantic, someone needed to give America a kick up the arse.


Given that both France and England set up the conditions for a Hitler to come to power and part 2 of WW1 to begin, by the unwise peace terms they gave to Germany at the end of WW1, people like you have some nerve to complained we did not come to your rescue once more soon enough.

If you fools had listen to President Woodrow Wilson there would had been no damn need to mount the second rescue efforts within a generation.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2015 05:39 pm
@BillRM,
Don't forget all that financing from Henry Ford. Hitler wouldn't have got anywhere without the Yankee dollar.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2015 05:50 pm
@izzythepush,
I am sure that Ford was an influence compared to the peace terms your nation and France imposed on Germany.

In fact no one pay any attention to Ford peace ship efforts to help end WW1 if I remember correctly and in fact he was consider a joke.

Nor during the great depression I question how must Yankee dollars was available, to Ford for supporting foreign figures
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2015 06:07 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford

On February 1, 1924, Ford received Kurt Ludecke, a representative of Hitler, at home. Ludecke was introduced to Ford by Siegfried Wagner (son of the composer Richard Wagner) and his wife Winifred, both Nazi sympathizers and antisemites. Ludecke asked Ford for a contribution to the Nazi cause, but was apparently refused.[64]
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2015 09:51 pm
@izzythepush,
Dont forget the Bush family contributions to Hitler.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2015 10:00 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Dont forget the Bush family contributions to Hitler


That is an interesting claim would you like to give some links as I was not even aware that the Bush family was even wealthy during Hitler lifetime.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2015 10:19 pm
@BillRM,
OK found what that silly claim was all about and the Bushes had money longer then I was aware of.

The family had shares in America banks that did business with the Nazis government before the war not that any of the Bushes funneled funds directly to Hitler.

A tiny bit of truth bury in a mountain of bullshit it would seems.


Quote:


http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2434/was-president-bushs-great-grandfather-a-nazi

Remember how during the Clinton era there were all those rabid EOBs (Enemies of Bill) who seemingly devoted their every waking hour to propagating scurrilous stories about the president and his family? Well, an equally dedicated crew is now spreading sensational allegations about Dubya and his forebears. (Sample: the president's grandfather not only financed the Nazis, he used concentration-camp prisoners as slaves.) So each side gets a chance to drag the other through the mud. Is this a great country

Though the Bush family's detractors are legion, one of the most prominent is John Loftus, a former federal prosecutor and past president of the Florida Holocaust Museum in Saint Petersburg. In 1994 Loftus coauthored a book with Mark Aarons entitled The Secret War Against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People. The book alleges various misdeeds by George W.'s father, George H.W., his grandfather, Prescott Bush, and his great-grandfather, George Herbert Walker. Since space is limited we'll focus on the accusations against Prescott Bush, which in my opinion are the most serious.

The central charge against Prescott Bush has a basis in fact. In 1942, under the Trading With the Enemy Act, the U.S. government seized several companies in which he had an interest. Prescott at the time was an investment banker with Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), which had funneled U.S. capital into Germany during the 1920s and '30s. Among the seized companies was the Union Banking Corporation (UBC) of New York, which was controlled by German industrialist Fritz Thyssen. Thyssen had been an early financier of the Nazi party — in fact, in 1941 he published a book entitled I Paid Hitler. Ergo, Prescott helped finance the Nazis.

An article by journalist Toby Rogers posted on Loftus's Web site makes an even more explosive charge. Another company in which Prescott and his associates had a stake was the Silesian-American Corporation (SAC), which owned several industrial concerns in Poland. The Auschwitz death camp was established in a district where SAC already had a steel plant. The plant allegedly used forced labor from Auschwitz during World War II. The article asserts that "a portion of the slave labor force in Poland was 'managed by Prescott Bush,' according to a Dutch intelligence agent." (See www.john-loftus.com/Thyssen.asp.)

The slave labor charge is easy to dismiss. SAC plants in Poland were taken over by the German government after the Nazi invasion of 1939, and the Auschwitz prison camp wasn't established until 1940. No one can seriously claim that Prescott Bush managed camp inmates in any of those plants.

Prescott's involvement with Nazi finance is more complicated. Though Thyssen had been an ardent backer of the Nazis in the early days, he broke with them in 1938 after the Kristallnacht pogrom against the Jews. He fled to Switzerland the following year, and Hitler confiscated his fortune and stripped him of his citizenship. In I Paid Hitler Thyssen confessed his role in financing the Nazis and denounced the Führer. Arrested in Vichy France, he spent the balance of the war as an Axis prisoner. Prescott Bush, for his part, owned a single share of stock (of 4,000) in UBC, the Thyssen bank. According to a 2001 Boston Globe piece, the New York Herald Tribune ran a story in July 1942 headlined "Hitler's Angel Has 3 Million in US Bank," in which Prescott and other BBH partners "explain[ed] to government regulators that their position [as directors of UBC] was merely an unpaid courtesy for a client."

So, did Bush and his firm finance the Nazis and enable Germany to rearm? Indirectly, yes. But they had a lot of company. Some of the most distinguished names in American business had investments or subsidiaries in prewar Germany, including Standard Oil and General Motors. Critics have argued for years that without U.S. money, the Nazis could never have waged war. But American business has always invested in totalitarian regimes — witness our dealings with mainland China.

Loftus tells me there's more to it than that. He says that the value of German industrial assets in which Bush and friends invested increased during World War II, in part due to slave labor, and that Bush benefited from this increase when the assets were returned — supposedly he got $1.5 million when UBC was liquidated in 1951. I'll buy the claim that Bush got his share of UBC back — it was an American bank, after all — but the idea that his German holdings increased in value despite being obliterated by Allied bombs is ridiculous.

— Cecil Adams

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2015 02:44 am
@RABEL222,
BillRM tries to wrap himself in the flag all the time. His only accomplishment is being born an American, so he tries to make the most of his only accomplishment.

He also likes to run away from facts.

Quote:
George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
 

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