Snowdon is a dummy

@Frank Apisa,

You really have gone through the looking glass Frank. You're the one frustrated with the court's decision, not me. That's why you're throwing a hissy fit.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

You really have gone through the looking glass Frank. You're the one frustrated with the court's decision, not me. That's why you're throwing a hissy fit.

I am not throwing a hissy fit...I am merely laughing at people who think a court order is going to guarantee privacy in some way.

Sorry you are so frustrated by my comments...and are so unable to deal with them adequately, Izzy...but that is a problem you have to work on.

I wish you good luck with that.

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@Walter Hinteler,

How are the europeians going to make the U S government adhere to their laws?

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@Walter Hinteler,

I notice that you guys always point to NSA and forget the fact your agencies were also complacent in the data gathering.

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@RABEL222,

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How are the europeians going to make the U S government adhere to their laws?

Not allowing US companies to operate in Europe come to mind as a first step or even not allowing data storage on US servers.

Changing the IP routing tables to stop as must internet traffic as possible from going over US cables.

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@izzythepush,

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You sound like the estranged husband who upon receipt of a restraining order vows to get his wife anyway, complete with condescending language.
You really don't like the rule of law, so much for wanting 'fair' trials.

This is proof positive of Franks assertion. I know of several people who have orders of protection against them by order of a court. I am not going to look for proof of what I am about to say but where I live I have read of 5 or 6 times where the person was killed by the one who had the order against them. So much for the law.

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@BillRM,

Against the law.

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@RABEL222,

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Against the law.

What law?

If US companies refused to follow EU laws banning them is hardly illegal under any law or forbidden the use of US storage servers for the same reason.

As far as IP routing tables that is hardly a matter of any agreements let alone laws.

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@RABEL222,

It doesn't matter if it's just symbolic, it sure beats kissing your collective arses.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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The ECJ ruling became effective immediately and the European Commission said it would continue to work with the United States on a revamped data transfer deal to fill the void.

"In the light of the ruling, we will continue this work towards a new and safe framework for the transfer of personal data across the Atlantic," Commission Vice President Frans Timmermans told a news conference.

Without Safe Harbour, the United States loses its status in the EU as a country that provides "adequate protection" for personal data.

The EU has granted that status to only 11 countries worldwide. For transfers to any other country, such as Japan, companies have to draw up contracts establishing privacy protections between groups or seek approval from data protection authorities, something they will now be required to do for transfers to the United States.

"The EU's highest court has pulled the rug under the feet of thousands of companies that have been relying on Safe Harbour," said Monika Kuschewsky, special counsel at law firm Covington. "All these companies are now forced to find an alternative mechanism for their data transfers to the U.S."

So on reading this, the court does not forbid Europe from working with US companies as long as new safeguards are worked out first the way they apparently already did with countries like Japan? It is a blow, but I suppose the US will simply have to work with it. I imagine the companies and the countries will.

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@revelette2,

Europeans and European companies can work with US companies as long and how much they want ... it's about the data/data transfer, and that this is handled according to the data protection laws we've got.

I don't think it to be simple.

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@Walter Hinteler,

It may not be simple, but clearly it is already been done with country's like Japan, so there is a guideline to go by to figure it out and I imagine the companies and the countries will figure it out because it is worth it to figure it out.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Not allowing US companies to operate in Europe come to mind as a first step or even not allowing data storage on US servers.

Changing the IP routing tables to stop as must internet traffic as possible from going over US cables.

If they want a trade war, we could also bar their companies from operating in the US.

(I doubt they want a trade war, and I suspect that European governments are already working with the US on ways to sideline this ruling.)

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

(I doubt they want a trade war, and I suspect that European governments are already working with the US on ways to sideline this ruling.)

This has nothing to do with "trade war" but with following the law(s).

This ruling wasn't about governments but about data protection in the private sector.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Oralloy must always make out like we are the big bad US pushing our weight around and everyone else has got to knuckle under. I suggest to pay no attention. The ruling is a big deal and I am not trying to make out like it isn't. It is just that so is business and imagine the US companies will go by what guidelines they have to in order to do business with the European countries is all I have been saying.

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@revelette2,

Facebook already started a goodwill campaign.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Facebook already started a goodwill campaign.

I admit you are subtle for me, what do you mean?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

This has nothing to do with "trade war" but with following the law(s).

It has nothing to do with trade war because there are reasonable people in Europe who intend to sideline all you unreasonable people.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Oralloy must always make out like we are the big bad US pushing our weight around and everyone else has got to knuckle under.

No, YOU must always portray me that way because you have no real arguments against any of my positions.

revelette2 wrote:

I suggest to pay no attention.

I suggest that you not be so petulant when other people point out facts that make you uncomfortable.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

It has nothing to do with trade war because there are reasonable people in Europe who intend to sideline all you unreasonable people.

So, in your opinion, reasonable people disobey court rulings and disregard laws.
That's what I always thought to be your idea, thanks!

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