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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
izzythepush
 
  2  
Fri 26 Jul, 2013 03:36 am
@Frank Apisa,
Maybe CI wishes to disassociate himself from the misguided military apparatus.

I have always thought the term 'war on terror,' is a mistake. It gives criminals the legitimacy of enemy combatants. We stopped using it a long time ago.
JPB
 
  3  
Fri 26 Jul, 2013 05:05 am
@izzythepush,
How do you declare an end to a war on a feeling or emotion? There's no end to this.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Fri 26 Jul, 2013 05:50 am
@JPB,
It's just like 1984, you always need an enemy, someone the people have to be vigilant against. That justifies intrusive surveillance and keeps the arms industry in clover.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 26 Jul, 2013 10:35 am
@izzythepush,
Nothing wrong with the military apparatus if used properly; it's the government that misuses it. It's the government complex that doesn't understand ethics, responsibility, and humanity.
JTT
 
  0  
Fri 26 Jul, 2013 10:40 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
I have always thought the term 'war on terror,' is a mistake. It gives criminals the legitimacy of enemy combatants. We stopped using it a long time ago.


That door swings both ways, Izzy. Why have you not thought to include the UK and the US as criminals?

Noam Chomsky: The phrase 'war on terrorism' should always be used in quotes, cause there can't possibly be a war on terrorism, it's impossible. The reason is it's led by one of the worst terrorist states in the world, in fact it's led by the only state in the world [the USA] which has been condemned by the highest international authorities for international terrorism, namely the World Court and Security Council, except that the US vetoed the resolution.

==========

Noam Chomsky: [about 9/11] Obviously a horrible atrocity but, you know I reacted pretty much the way people did around the world. Terrible atrocity, but unless you're in Europe and the United States you know, or Japan I guess, you know, it's nothing new. That's the way the imperial powers have treated the rest of the world for hundreds of years. This is historic event but not, unfortunately not because of scale but for the nature of the atrocity, but because of who the victims were. You look through hundreds of years of history, the imperial countries have been basically immune. There's plenty of atrocities, but they're somewhere else.
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JTT
 
  -3  
Fri 26 Jul, 2013 10:42 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Nothing wrong with the military apparatus if used properly;


Point to a time when the US "military apparatus" was used properly, CI.
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JTT
 
  -3  
Fri 26 Jul, 2013 11:14 am
@JPB,
Quote:
How do you declare an end to a war on a feeling or emotion? There's no end to this.


And where did the terrorism really begin and how long has it been active and who is the world's leader in terrorism, past and present? And which countries play strong supporting roles for the world's premier terrorist nation?

Quote:

JANUARY 24, 2012

The ’65 Massacres: Complicity and Cover-Up
The U.S., Indonesia & the New York Times

by CONN HALLINAN


...

In the polarized world of the Cold War, non-alignment was not acceptable to Washington, and the U.S. began using a combination of diplomacy, military force and outright subversion to undermine countries like Indonesia and to bring them into alliances with the U.S. and its allies. The CIA encouraged separatist movements in the oil-rich provinces of Sumatra and Sulawesi. The British and the Australians were also up to their elbows in the 1965 coup, and France increased its trade with Indonesia following the massacre.

The relations between Jakarta and Washington are long and sordid. The U.S. gave Indonesia the green light to invade and occupy East Timor, an act that resulted in the death of over 200,000 people, or one-third of the Timorese population, a kill ratio greater than Pol Pot’s genocidal mania in Cambodia. Washington is also supportive of Indonesia’s seizure of Irian Jaya (West Papua) and, rather than condemning the brutality of the occupation, has blamed much of the violence on the local natives.

The Cold War is over, but not U.S. interests in Asia. The Obama administration is pouring military forces into the region and has made it clear that it intends to contest China’s growing influence in Asia and Southeast Asia. Here Indonesia is key. Some 80 percent of China’s energy supplies pass through Indonesian-controlled waters, and Indonesia is still a gold mine—literally in the case of Freeport McMoRan on Irian Jaya—of valuable resources.

So once again, the U.S. is turning a blind eye to the brutal and repressive Indonesian military that doesn’t fight wars but is devilishly good at suppressing its own people and cornering many of those resources for itself. The recent decision by the White House to begin working with Kopassus—Indonesia’s equivalent of the Nazi SS—is a case in point. Kopassus has been implicated in torture and murder in Irian Jaya and played a key role in the 1999 sacking of East Timor that destroyed 70 percent of that country’s infrastructure following Timor’s independence vote. Over 1500 Timorese were killed and 250,000 kidnapped to Indonesian West Timor.

[read the whole article at,]

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/01/24/the-u-s-indonesia-the-new-york-times/

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 01:23 am
In New Zealand, by the way, investigative journalists are in the same category as terrorists. (Yesterday, there was a report in the Sunday Star-Times newspaper that the military collected phone metadata to spy on journalist Jon Stephenson, a New Zealander.)

New Zealand is a member of the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing alliance that also includes the US, Britain, Australia and Canada ... ... ...
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Mon 29 Jul, 2013 02:26 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
New Zealand's prime minister says his country doesn't spy on journalists, but it's theoretically possible reporters could get caught in surveillance nets when the U.S. spies on enemy combatants.

Prime Minister John Key was responding Monday to a newspaper report that said the New Zealand military, assisted by U.S. spy agencies, collected phone metadata to monitor journalist Jon Stephenson. Stephenson is a New Zealand freelance journalist who last year was reporting in Afghanistan for American news organization McClatchy.

Key, who is traveling in Seoul, told reporters Monday that in a hypothetical example, a journalist who called a member of the Taliban who was being monitored by the Americans could show up in records.
Source
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 31 Jul, 2013 01:00 am
Administration to reveal order on Americans’ phone records:

Quote:
The Obama administration has declassified a secret order directing Verizon Communications to turn over a vast number of Americans’ phone records, and it plans to disclose the document Wednesday morning in time for a Senate hearing, according to senior U.S. officials.
[...]
The order from April covers the same length of time as the order previously disclosed by Snowden. Officials have said the Justice Department seeks renewal for the bulk-collection orders every 90 days.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 31 Jul, 2013 04:41 am
Quote:
NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden's father open to FBI's idea of Moscow visit

Lonnie Snowden has told Russian TV that he needs to know what the FBI want him to do before flying out to see his son
[...]
Mr Snowden has now applied for temporary asylum in Russia and could be granted permission to stay in the country within days, according to his lawyer Anatoly Kucherena. Speaking on the programme, Mr Kucherena said that the US had not sent an official extradition request, arguing that "saying 'hand him over' is absolutely dishonourable and incorrect”.

“If you want (to have Snowden handed over), you should adhere to the law, so send, according to existing rules of cooperation between states, a corresponding legal document, correctly filled out. But there is no such thing,” he said.

During the interview Lonnie Snowden said he did not believe his son would get a fair trial following the events within the previous six weeks.

“I hope that he will return home and appear in court ... But I don't expect that ... a court would be fair. We cannot guarantee a fair court.”

He added that he hoped Russia would accept his son's request for asylum. “If he wants to spend the rest of his life in Russia, I would agree. I am not against it,” he said. “If I were in his place, I would stay in Russia."
JPB
 
  1  
Wed 31 Jul, 2013 06:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I keep seeing flashes of the movie "White Nights" with Gregory Hines and Mikhail Baryshnikov. Great movie, but it leads me to think Mr Snowden may prefer Bolivia.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Wed 31 Jul, 2013 10:31 am
@JPB,
Quote:
XKeyscore: NSA tool collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'
• XKeyscore gives 'widest-reaching' collection of online data
• NSA analysts require no prior authorization for searches
• Sweeps up emails, social media activity and browsing history
• NSA's XKeyscore program – read one of the presentations
http://i43.tinypic.com/2r6zjme.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/54k8z.jpg
A top secret National Security Agency program allows analysts to search with no prior authorization through vast databases containing emails, online chats and the browsing histories of millions of individuals, according to documents provided by whistleblower Edward Snowden.
Source and full report
oralloy
 
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Wed 31 Jul, 2013 04:06 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Quote:
XKeyscore: NSA tool collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'
• XKeyscore gives 'widest-reaching' collection of online data
• NSA analysts require no prior authorization for searches
• Sweeps up emails, social media activity and browsing history
• NSA's XKeyscore program – read one of the presentations
http://i43.tinypic.com/2r6zjme.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/54k8z.jpg
A top secret National Security Agency program allows analysts to search with no prior authorization through vast databases containing emails, online chats and the browsing histories of millions of individuals, according to documents provided by whistleblower Edward Snowden.
Source and full report


This Snowden freak is starting to become a problem. Get him in the open and DroneStrike him ASAP.
JTT
 
  2  
Wed 31 Jul, 2013 05:18 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
This Snowden freak is starting to become a problem. Get him in the open and DroneStrike him ASAP.


Typical of you and the USA, Oralboy. And yet you keep lying about the US not targeting civilians. The US is by far the worst country on the planet for targeting civilian populations. The US is far and away the greatest terrorist nation/group on the planet.
hingehead
 
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Wed 31 Jul, 2013 06:35 pm
@JTT,
What an awesome idea, a drone strike on Russian soil. Rather than 'pissweak' countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan. A panel discussion in Oz had a Pakistani human rights campaigner telling us about the US drone strike programme there.

Apparently it's killed about 5000 Taliban, Al Qaeda, terrorist, whatever label, operatives. It hasn't affected those groups (well maybe helped their recruitment, built resentment and steeled their reserve) - however it has killed on average 30 innocent civilians per 'terrorist' death.

Home of the brave, land of the free.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 1 Aug, 2013 06:11 am

I see the traitor has left the airport and entered into Russia proper.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23535524

Good. Now DroneStrike him.

Are any of those Mach-6 hypersonic cruise missiles that we're building "in case we need to go preemptive on China" ready for prime time yet?

I'd guess probably not. But if they are, killing the traitor would make a pretty cool first use.
ehBeth
 
  6  
Thu 1 Aug, 2013 06:16 am
Perhaps there is an upside to NSA monitoring everything Oralloy posts. It should be easy to pull its dossier when it decompensates completely.
JPB
 
  2  
Thu 1 Aug, 2013 06:29 am
Quote:
The US Attorney General, Eric Holder, has given Moscow an assurance that he will not face the death penalty if extradited to America, but the Russians say they do not intend to hand him over.


Kinda, sorta.

They said they wouldn't simply "hand him over" on demand. They didn't say they wouldn't extradite him if proper procedures were followed.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 1 Aug, 2013 06:36 am
@JPB,
He got asylum for at least one year.

Contrary to his lawyer, WikiLeaks tweeted "that Edward Snowden's welfare has been continuously monitored by WikiLeaks staff since his presence in Hong Kong".
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