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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:04 am
It's all not such dramatic, it seems, since the NSA Can't Search Emails Of Agency Employees
Quote:
The NSA is a "supercomputing powerhouse" with machines so powerful their speed is measured in thousands of trillions of operations per second. The agency turns its giant machine brains to the task of sifting through unimaginably large troves of data its surveillance programs capture.

But ask the NSA, as part of a freedom of information request, to do a seemingly simple search of its own employees' email? The agency says it doesn't have the technology.

"There's no central method to search an email at this time with the way our records are set up, unfortunately," NSA Freedom of Information Act officer Cindy Blacker told me last week.

The system is "a little antiquated and archaic," she added.
... ...
"It's just baffling," says Mark Caramanica of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. "This is an agency that's charged with monitoring millions of communications globally and they can't even track their own internal communications in response to a FOIA request."

Federal agencies' public records offices are often underfunded, according to Lucy Dalglish, dean of the journalism school at University of Maryland and a longtime observer of FOIA issues.

But, Daglish says, "If anybody is going to have the money to engage in evaluation of digital information, it's the NSA for heaven's sake."


Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Or so they say... Funny though.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:20 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Back to Snowden ...
Snowden receives "Whistleblower Prize" in Germany
Quote:
The man who leaked documents revealing the extent of US surveillance of electronic media, Edward Snowden, has been awarded the German "Whistleblower Prize" in absentia. He remains on the run in Moscow.

The award goes to people who "reveal grave abuses and dangerous developments for people and society, democracy, peace and the environment in the public interest," watchdog Transparency International said on its website.

Worth 3,000 euros ($3,942), the prize is co-sponsored by the Federation of German Scientists (VDW) and the German section of the International Association of Lawyers Against Nuclear Arms (IALANA). For the first time, Transparency International Germany was also involved in awarding the prize.

Explaining why Snowden received the award, Hartmut Grassl from the Federation of German Scientists said, "An open society needs civil courage and brave people like Edward Snowden, so that abuses are revealed and prevented."
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JPB
 
  4  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 07:29 am
Irony Alert:

Quote:
Okay, someone in the White House just feels like giving people who believe in protecting civil liberties a giant middle finger today. As a quick review, the President and the administration have been hiding behind secret court orders with secret interpretations of the Patriot Act and the FISA Amendments Act to use a very blunt instrument: collecting pretty much all digital data around, and keeping the whole thing totally quiet for years. In response, Rep. Justin Amash is seeking to pull funding from one of the key NSA programs -- the one that involved a secret interpretation of Section 215 of the Patriot Act by a secret court to pretend that language that clearly applied to only limited data now meant the NSA could order AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and others to hand over every call record on every phone call. And, this is a program that no one knew about until Ed Snowden leaked it to the Guardian and the Washington Post.

Okay, having reinforced those basic points, check out the giant "screw you guys" the White House just pushed out in the form of a "statement" in response to the Amash Amendment. I'll bold the key guffaw-inducing lines:
In light of the recent unauthorized disclosures, the President has said that he welcomes a debate about how best to simultaneously safeguard both our national security and the privacy of our citizens. The Administration has taken various proactive steps to advance this debate including the President’s meeting with the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, his public statements on the disclosed programs, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence’s release of its own public statements, ODNI General Counsel Bob Litt’s speech at Brookings, and ODNI’s decision to declassify and disclose publicly that the Administration filed an application with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. We look forward to continuing to discuss these critical issues with the American people and the Congress.

However, we oppose the current effort in the House to hastily dismantle one of our Intelligence Community’s counterterrorism tools. This blunt approach is not the product of an informed, open, or deliberative process. We urge the House to reject the Amash Amendment, and instead move forward with an approach that appropriately takes into account the need for a reasoned review of what tools can best secure the nation.
Let me repeat that again: This blunt approach is not the product of an informed, open, or deliberative process. As opposed to the blunt process of collecting all data on everyone which was arrived at via an "informed, open and deliberative process -- known as totally secretly interpreting the plain language of a law in a secret ruling from a secret court to mean something almost entirely different than what the language itself said?

This is a joke, right?

Only someone who really has a sick sense of humor would try to argue that a bill looking to slow down the rampant spying on pretty much all Americans comes from a lack of an "informed, open, or deliberative process" when the process to create that massive surveillance infrastructure was all done in complete darkness.Source


Emphasis at the source.
JPB
 
  2  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 07:32 am
Right-wing Heritage Foundation is against the amendment.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/07/amash-amendment-to-the-department-of-defense-authorization-bill
RABEL222
 
  2  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 08:20 am
@JPB,
If the Heritage Foundation is against it I am for it. Koch funded organization.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 09:32 am
@JPB,
I never trusted Obama all that much, so it doesn't surprise me.

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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 11:23 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

Irony Alert:

Quote:
Okay, someone in the White House just feels like giving people who believe in protecting civil liberties a giant middle finger today. As a quick review, the President and the administration have been hiding behind secret court orders with secret interpretations of the Patriot Act and the FISA Amendments Act to use a very blunt instrument: collecting pretty much all digital data around, and keeping the whole thing totally quiet for years. In response, Rep. Justin Amash is seeking to pull funding from one of the key NSA programs -- the one that involved a secret interpretation of Section 215 of the Patriot Act by a secret court to pretend that language that clearly applied to only limited data now meant the NSA could order AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and others to hand over every call record on every phone call. And, this is a program that no one knew about until Ed Snowden leaked it to the Guardian and the Washington Post.

Okay, having reinforced those basic points, check out the giant "screw you guys" the White House just pushed out in the form of a "statement" in response to the Amash Amendment. I'll bold the key guffaw-inducing lines:
In light of the recent unauthorized disclosures, the President has said that he welcomes a debate about how best to simultaneously safeguard both our national security and the privacy of our citizens. The Administration has taken various proactive steps to advance this debate including the President’s meeting with the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, his public statements on the disclosed programs, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence’s release of its own public statements, ODNI General Counsel Bob Litt’s speech at Brookings, and ODNI’s decision to declassify and disclose publicly that the Administration filed an application with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. We look forward to continuing to discuss these critical issues with the American people and the Congress.

However, we oppose the current effort in the House to hastily dismantle one of our Intelligence Community’s counterterrorism tools. This blunt approach is not the product of an informed, open, or deliberative process. We urge the House to reject the Amash Amendment, and instead move forward with an approach that appropriately takes into account the need for a reasoned review of what tools can best secure the nation.
Let me repeat that again: This blunt approach is not the product of an informed, open, or deliberative process. As opposed to the blunt process of collecting all data on everyone which was arrived at via an "informed, open and deliberative process -- known as totally secretly interpreting the plain language of a law in a secret ruling from a secret court to mean something almost entirely different than what the language itself said?

This is a joke, right?

Only someone who really has a sick sense of humor would try to argue that a bill looking to slow down the rampant spying on pretty much all Americans comes from a lack of an "informed, open, or deliberative process" when the process to create that massive surveillance infrastructure was all done in complete darkness.Source


Emphasis at the source.


You mean the government is conducting secret operations "in complete darkness!"

What is this world coming to?
JTT
 
  0  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 11:29 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
You mean the government is conducting secret operations "in complete darkness!"


Illegal and immoral secret operations "in complete darkness, Frank.

Quote:
What is this world coming to?


More pain and suffering, more shock and awe, more Fallujahs, more My Lais, more ... for the innocents of the world.

All of that supported by people like you.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 12:48 pm
Quote:
Bolivian President Evo Morales says he accepts the apologies from European countries which barred his jet from flying into their airspace last month.

The Bolivians accused France, Spain, Portugal and Italy of acting on an alleged US tip-off that the fugitive intelligence analyst Edward Snowden was onboard a plane flying from Moscow.

The Europeans apologised and said the decision had been due to mistakes.
Source/Full report
JTT
 
  0  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 02:16 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
The Europeans apologised and said the decision had been due to mistakes.


Should have read,

The Europeans apologised and compounded their mistake by lying when they said the decision had been due to mistakes.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 03:38 am
Feds put heat on Web firms for master encryption keys

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The U.S. government has attempted to obtain the master encryption keys that Internet companies use to shield millions of users' private Web communications from eavesdropping.

These demands for master encryption keys, which have not been disclosed previously, represent a technological escalation in the clandestine methods that the FBI and the National Security Agency employ when conducting electronic surveillance against Internet users.

If the government obtains a company's master encryption key, agents could decrypt the contents of communications intercepted through a wiretap or by invoking the potent surveillance authorities of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Web encryption -- which often appears in a browser with a HTTPS lock icon when enabled -- uses a technique called SSL, or Secure Sockets Layer.

"The government is definitely demanding SSL keys from providers," said one person who has responded to government attempts to obtain encryption keys. The source spoke with CNET on condition of anonymity.

... ... ...

Quote:
[...]With a few exceptions, even if communications in transit are encrypted, Internet companies typically do not encrypt e-mail or files stored in their data centers. Those remain accessible to law enforcement or the NSA through legal processes.
Leaked NSA surveillance procedures, authorized by Attorney General Eric Holder, suggest that intercepted domestic communications are typically destroyed -- unless they're encrypted. If that's the case, the procedures say, "retention of all communications that are enciphered" is permissible. [...]

Mentioned document here
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 12:29 pm
Relief, relief! Twisted Evil

Quote:
Chancellory Chief of Staff Ronald Pofalla appeared before a three-hour-long hearing of a closed-door parliamentary intelligence committee in Berlin on Thursday. He said that the NSA told Germany it does not track phone and internet records of Germans "by the million."

Full report: Merkel's top aide plays down allegations of bulk US spying on Germans
JTT
 
  0  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 12:34 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
He said that the NSA told Germany it does not track phone and internet records of Germans "by the million."


They lie thru their teeth to the US Congress, but their German counterparts feel confident that they are doing the same to them.

Wanna buy a bridge, Angela?
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InfraBlue
 
  3  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 01:32 pm
House Defeats Effort to Rein In N.S.A. Data Gathering

WASHINGTON — A deeply divided House defeated legislation Wednesday that would have blocked the National Security Agency from collecting vast amounts of phone records, handing the Obama administration a hard-fought victory in the first Congressional showdown over the N.S.A.’s surveillance activities since Edward J. Snowden’s security breaches last month.

The 205-to-217 vote was far closer than expected and came after a brief but impassioned debate over citizens’ right to privacy and the steps the government must take to protect national security. It was a rare instance in which a classified intelligence program was openly discussed on the House floor, and disagreements over the program led to some unusual coalitions.

Conservative Republicans leery of what they see as Obama administration abuses of power teamed up with liberal Democrats long opposed to intrusive intelligence programs. The Obama administration made common cause with the House Republican leadership to try to block it.

more. . .
JTT
 
  3  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 01:37 pm
@InfraBlue,
House Defeats Effort to Rein In N.S.A. Data Gathering

Reichstag Offers Hitler its Unconditional Support
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InfraBlue
 
  5  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 04:26 pm
It's really a self-defeating vicious circle that the US is involved in.

Obstinately pursuing a myopic and immoral Middle East policy that has led to violent reaction by militantly disposed groups and individuals there, the US responds with yet more immoral foreign policies injurious not only to oppositional Middle East countries but also allied countries in other areas of the world, e.g. Europe, and even immoral domestic policies against its very own citizens.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 05:14 pm
@InfraBlue,
Well stated; they've already lost the "war" on terrorism.
JTT
 
  0  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 05:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Well stated;


Thank you, CI.
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 26 Jul, 2013 03:03 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Well stated; they've already lost the "war" on terrorism.


Why the use of the word "they've" here?

Shouldn't it be "we've?"
 

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