Snowdon is a dummy

Frank Apisa wrote:

Snowden deserves a fair trial...so he has the opportunity to clear his name.

That is what I want to see him get...a fair trial.

THere cant be a fair trial with the laws this fucked up, this much working against the interests of the citizens. What he needs, and what we need, is a fair deal, which may more may not include awarding him a metal.

He has been charged with crimes...and he should be allowed a fair trial

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He has been charged with crimes...and he should be allowed a fair trial

By the government that lied to us, and violated our rights. The government has no standing to put Snowden in its "justice" system.

Yeah...it does.

That is why he is not coming back to the US.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

After having implemented this surveillance program in complete secrecy

The program was authorized by public legislation.

Not explicitly. The regime justifies its surveillance program, PRISM, by way of its 2008 amendment to the, Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, but it isn't in that amendment.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

and circle-jerk collusion throughout all of the branches of government

Was it bad that they got warrants from judges before they accessed the data???

It's bad that the judiciary won't even consider this program's legality on the basis that no one has demonstrated that they've been directly harmed by this program. They're issuing warrants through a program of dubious, to say the least, legality.

A terrorist is a man with a bomb but no air force.

Their jobs is on the line, so they would say that whether or not it's true. I don't expect anyone to say the truth if doing so involves professional suicide.

no one has pointed out to me a more moral response than what Snowden did.

Earlier this week, Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) said the new law makes our country stronger, not weaker, in the face of terrorism and security.

What if your country is betraying its values and its people? What if it is betraying humanity?

Thanks. Worth quoting some more.

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Two years on, the difference is profound. In a single month, the N.S.A.’s invasive call-tracking program was declared unlawful by the courts and disowned by Congress. After a White House-appointed oversight board investigation found that this program had not stopped a single terrorist attack, even the president who once defended its propriety and criticized its disclosure has now ordered it terminated.

By the government that lied to us, and violated our rights.

If this government now wants to do something productive then #1 on the todo list is to apologize to us and the rest of the world for what it did, then #2 is to promise to try to do better in the future.

THere cant be a fair trial with the laws this fucked up, this much working against the interests of the citizens.

What he needs, and what we need, is a fair deal, which may more may not include awarding him a metal.

To the terrorists that he helped teach how to evade US security?

And if the operation is illegal who gives a ****, just dont tell anyone.

The government has no standing to put Snowden in its "justice" system.

Yeah...it does.

A fair trial. What else?