@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
What if your country is betraying its values and its people? What if it is betraying humanity?
True, to a degree. But you see, Olivier, this is a case of humans trying to protect their homeland security from a growing sophisticated enemy who is out to get America for past wrong doings. 9/11 was so tragic that it left a searing memory on my mind which will never be erased. I recall watching on media people jumping from the highest floors of the Twin Towers trying to escape the enveloping flames. I fervently hope to never live to see such tragedy again!
Olivier, one cannot turn back the clock. The government might discontinue its mass spying technique, getting a warrant to investigate certain individuals who are persons of interests, but they will never totally relinquish this branch of growing technology. The Government is spying on us through our computers, phones, cars, buses, streetlights, at Airports and on the street, via Mobile Scanners and Drones, through our Smart Meters, and in many other ways.
"Betraying humanity"? Quit the dramatics, Olivier. Given half a chance the rest of humanity would be doing the exact same thing if the technology were available to them, and in fact, many are doing just that. (They say China just hacked into some major corporations recently.) When Obama became president, one of the first things he was required to do was quit the use of his blackberry because foreign countries would be capable of listening in on him the way the US government was listening in on Merkel's private cell in Germany. One of the reasons Angela Merkey wasn't more upset with Obama because their country was most likely doing the same thing to the US. It was the US who was caught with his hand in the cookie jar via Edward Snowden, a current resident of Russia.
If Snowden were unhappy with US policies, damn, he must be nearly "ecstatic" with Russia right about now!!!
Did you say "betraying values"? What values? When Jackass number One de Facto president of the US Dick Cheney invaded the sovereign nation of Iraq for profit along with using the US and Britain's military men/women as fodder, so-called human values went for a long hike.
I do admire the French, along with Germany and some other countries for not joining the US coalition to invade Iraq. As for the US algorithm meta data program, well, the US has so many ways to spy without even trying to listen in deliberately on Americans. There are cell towers where one can be tracked while talking on their phone. Through our computers....smartphone routinely sends your location information back to Apple or Google – it would be child’s play for the government to track your location that way. Your iPhone, or other brand of smartphone is spying on virtually everything you do (ProPublica notes: “That’s No Phone. That’s My Tracker"). Remember, that might be happening even when your phone is turned off.
When we apply for credit our Social Security number is given. When we open a bank account all sorts of personal information is given. When we withdraw money from the ATM machine, our picture is taken, even at each corner of a street, when we are driving our car. As Rabi222 said in a previous post all one has to do is pay a few dollars to obtain all the personal information one wants on an individual. Everything about us is out there already.
Quote:We re human beings, first and foremost. We have a duty to our fellow human beings, which trumps any nationalism. We're citizens of the world, and more and more so.
Well, those are YOUR values as opposed to my personal values; it's obvious you and I see the world through a different prism. "Citizens of the world"? Do you recall history's WW1 and WW2? Do you recall how the US dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Oh the cruelty! The barbarity? Do you see how man's inhumanity is thriving? Look around you at the suffering in the world today and you have the gall to talk about "citizens of the world"? Gimme a fu*king break! Your version of "human values" surely must be different than mine. Look at the mess we turned Iraq into: the warring factions, Kurds, Shia, Sunni, all fighting each other and out of this chaos, comes ISI. We tore apart the structure Saddam Hussein had in place (the fear of nerve gas on his own people to control them) to keep the ethnic Iraqi factions in place; once the dictator was eliminated all hell broke loose, and look at the crap the US has left behind? We, the US and Britain, broke Iraq (General Colin Powell....you break Iraq, you own Iraq) and now they are responsible for the stabilizing of this country.
If we could somehow control Iraq to the degree where all ethnics had a share in ruling their country, the job would be much easier, but the hundreds of years of hatred and tensions among the Sunni, Shia, and Kurds tend to run too deep.
Take care and enjoy a wonderful summer.