Snowdon is a dummy

I don't think there's cause to be uncivil, but you still haven't answered my question. Lady is a convicted criminal, shouldn't he be deported to America to face trial?

Btw, Om Sig David and I agree on very little, and I'm civil towards him.

A former CIA station chief, convicted in Italy of kidnapping an Egyptian Muslim cleric, has been arrested in Panama, Italian and Panamanian officials have said.

Robert Seldon Lady, the former CIA chief in Milan, entered Panama, crossed the border into Costa Rica and was sent back to Panama where he was detained, according to an Italian official.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, a Panamanian police official said Seldon Lady had been arrested by Panama's border authorities and handed over to Interpol.

The CIA declined to comment.

Italy's highest court last year upheld a guilty verdict against Seldon Lady for the kidnapping of Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr, who was snatched from a Milan street in 2003 and flown to Egypt for interrogation, where he says he was tortured for seven months.

Nasr says he was tortured with electric shocks, beatings, rape threats and genital abuse.

The imam, also known as Abu Omar, was a resident in Italy at the time of the abduction.

Seldon Lady was given a nine-year prison sentence and another 22 Americans seven-year sentences in absentia for the abduction of the imam.

The Italian trial was the first of its kind against the "rendition" flights practised by the administration of former US President George W. Bush, which have been condemned by human rights groups.

The minister, Anna Maria Cancellieri, asked for the former CIA agent - "Mister Bob" - to be held in Panama and now has two months to request his extradition.

A 2006 amnesty in Italy shaves three years off all sentences meted out by Italian courts, meaning if Lady is brought back to Italy, he would face six years in prison.

There's not a lot to read, btw, are you putting a bit of a spin on this by conflating Snowden with Zimmerman Martin? It gives the impression that those of us who applaud Snowden also applaud Zimmerman. That's not true at all.

This is cut and pasted from the beginning of the Lady thread. It's old, Lady is already back in America.

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A former CIA station chief, convicted in Italy of kidnapping an Egyptian Muslim cleric, has been arrested in Panama, Italian and Panamanian officials have said.

Robert Seldon Lady, the former CIA chief in Milan, entered Panama, crossed the border into Costa Rica and was sent back to Panama where he was detained, according to an Italian official.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, a Panamanian police official said Seldon Lady had been arrested by Panama's border authorities and handed over to Interpol.

The CIA declined to comment.

Italy's highest court last year upheld a guilty verdict against Seldon Lady for the kidnapping of Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr, who was snatched from a Milan street in 2003 and flown to Egypt for interrogation, where he says he was tortured for seven months.

Nasr says he was tortured with electric shocks, beatings, rape threats and genital abuse.

The imam, also known as Abu Omar, was a resident in Italy at the time of the abduction.

Seldon Lady was given a nine-year prison sentence and another 22 Americans seven-year sentences in absentia for the abduction of the imam.

The Italian trial was the first of its kind against the "rendition" flights practised by the administration of former US President George W. Bush, which have been condemned by human rights groups.

The minister, Anna Maria Cancellieri, asked for the former CIA agent - "Mister Bob" - to be held in Panama and now has two months to request his extradition.

A 2006 amnesty in Italy shaves three years off all sentences meted out by Italian courts, meaning if Lady is brought back to Italy, he would face six years in prison.

Your lack of interest looks like a case of double standards. Both spies broke the law, one American, one Italian. Snowden didn't get anyone tortured.

Izzy, we are not going to agree on this...and that is not unusual in contentious matters. Some people have one take on the issue and others have a take that essentially is in opposition. The matters would not be "contentious" if that were not the case.

I do not know the case well enough to offer an informed opinion...and it simply does not interest me.

Jailed Journalist Barrett Brown Faces 105 Years For Reporting on Hacked Private Intelligence Firms

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JUAN GONZÁLEZ: As NSA leaker Edward Snowden remains at a Moscow airport, Army whistleblower Bradley Manning is on trial, and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is holed up in the Ecuadorean embassy in London, today we look at the strange story of another man tied to the world of cyber-activism who faces over a hundred years in prison. His name is Barrett Brown. He’s an investigative reporter with ties to the hacking collective Anonymous. He has spent the past 300 days in jail and has been denied bail. He faces 17 charges, ranging from threatening an FBI agent to credit card fraud for posting a link online to a document that contained stolen credit card data. But according to his supporters, Brown is being unfairly targeted for daring to investigate the highly secretive world of private intelligence and military contractors.

AMY GOODMAN: Before Brown’s path crossed with the FBI, he frequently contributed to Vanity Fair, The Huffington Post, The Guardian and other news outlets. In 2009, Brown created Project PM, which was, quote, "dedicated to investigating private government contractors working in the secretive fields of cybersecurity, intelligence and surveillance." He was particularly interested in the documents leaked by WikiLeaks and Anonymous. In the documentary We Are Legion, Barrett Brown explains the importance of information obtained by hackers.

BARRETT BROWN: Some of the most important things that have been—have had the most far-reaching influence and have been the most important in terms of what’s been discovered, not just by Anonymous, but by the media in the aftermath, is the result of hacking. That information can’t be obtained by institutional journalistic process, or it can’t be obtained or won’t be obtained by a congressional committee or a federal oversight committee. For the most part, that information has to be, you know, obtained by hackers.
AMY GOODMAN: In 2011, the group Anonymous hacked into the computer system of the private security firm HBGary Federal and disclosed thousands of internal emails. Barrett Brown has not been accused of being involved in the hack, but he did read and analyze the documents, eventually crowdsourcing the effort through Project PM. One of the first things he discovered was a plan to tarnish the reputations of WikiLeaks and sympathetic journalist Glenn Greenwald of The Guardian. Brown similarly analyzed and wrote about the millions of internal company emails for Stratfor Global Intelligence that were leaked on Christmas Eve 2011. Shortly thereafter, the FBI acquired a warrant for Brown’s laptop and authority to seize any information from his communications—or, in journalism parlance, his sources. In September 2012, a troupe of armed agents surged into Brown’s apartment in Dallas, Texas, and handcuffed him face down on the floor. He has been in prison ever since.

JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Well, for more, we’re joined by Peter Ludlow, professor of philosophy at Northwestern University. He has written extensively on hacktivist actions against people—against private intelligence firms and the surveillance state. His recent article for The Nation is called "The Strange Case of Barrett Brown."

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Both Rosa Parks and Snowden have broken the law standing up to an abuse of power at great personal cost.

Rosa Parks broke the law and had the fortitude to be arrested and face her accusers in court.

She was a hero, not a money grubbing coward.

One of the first things he discovered was a plan to tarnish the reputations of WikiLeaks and sympathetic journalist Glenn Greenwald of The Guardian.
Ibid

You should study the history of race relations. Rosa Parks broke the law and had the fortitude to be arrested and face her accusers in court. She dident run to a foreign country and beg for protection. She had the guts to face her accusers. She was a hero, not a money grubbing coward.

If he's right, most Americans and other people will stand behind him.

The government does too many things that affects us behind closed doors and with lies. The biggies for me are Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, but it also includes torture of prisoners, Gitmo, and other atrocities committed by our government in our name.

we are not the world's police nor military defense for all countries.

This is looking more and more of a media blitz that will be selling his book at 50 bucks a pop with million buying it to learn nothing.

Clapper outright lied to Congress when asked a specific point-blank question.

That's reasonable, Frank.
You feel that the actions of the NSA are justified and justifiable and I think they're outrageous and violate the 4th Amendment protections of the constitution. It's not surprising that we'd have different opinions on the US government's reaction.

Rather, if it's unable to uphold its constitution and treaties, shut down Guitmo and stop spying on the whole universe, the US should shut down.