Snowdon is a dummy

@korkamann,

My opinion is that we as citizens of the technology advance nations are not all that concern with government on government spying but on the kind of massive spying on everyone including the nations own citizens that NSA happen to be pioneering along with the UK.

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By the way does anyone think that we can have free governments if those in control of the intelligence agencies have blackmail information of one kind or another on the majority of the elected leadership at their fingertips?

Not too many people are saints and most of our outstanding leadership, in history, was far from saints.

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@BillRM,

Stick with the grassy knoll, Bill. You make more sense when you do.

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@Frank Apisa,

Or Area 51.

Yeah...I left that out.

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@Frank Apisa,

Oh? So FBI director Hoover did not in fact blackmail both congressmen and Presidents using the then resources of the FBI to get dirt on them?

President Kennedy was not blackmail by Hoover over his love life and Nixon was not fearful of acting against him? That even those President Truman hated his guts and stated that he was trying to set up a police state not even he was willing/able to removed him from office

Sorry dear but unlike the good old grassy knoll there was a good solid reason why no one force Hoover out of office and why congress after the Hoover era pass a law limiting how long anyone could be the director of the FBI.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Oh? So FBI director Hoover did not in fact blackmail both congressmen and Presidents using the then resource of the FBI to get dirt on them?

President Kennedy was not blackmail by Hoover over his love life and Nixon was not fearful of acting against him?

Sorry dear but unlike the good old grassy knoll there was a good solid reason why no one force Hoover out of office and why congress after the Hoover era pass a law limiting how long anyone could be the director of the FBI.

Yes, Bill...in history we find all sorts of thing happening that we wish did not happen.

But still...you've be better off with the grassy knoll...or Area 51.

Be sure to put your tin foil hat on though. No need to be careless.

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@Frank Apisa,

Let me get this straight you are or are not stating that Hoover did not in fact blackmail a large percent of the government for decades for his own purposes?

That he did so seems a very solid fact of history and there is no reason to assume that others given the same power in fact far far more power would not do likewise.

Members of the intelligence community have in the last few years openly lied to congress and even have congressional computer systems hack into and yet not one of them was punish for doing so!!!!!!

Seems that for some strange or not so strange reason our elected leadership lack the same willingness to act against them as the past elected leadership for thirty/forty years was not willing to act against Hoover.

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@BillRM,

I'm saying, Bill...that in damn near every discussion...you seem to inject an element of conspiracy...like you are a contributor to one of those magazines they keep by the checkout counters of supermarkets.

And I am busting your chops about it.

Guys like you seem to think the government is completely incapable of doing anything right...or to keep anything secret...unless it has to do with your pet conspiracy theory...and then you think they the most capable creatures in the galaxy...and are able to fool all of the people all of the time.

Like I said...you would do better dealing with the grassy knoll or Area 51. All the work is already done for you there.

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@Frank Apisa,

We don't know what is going on, what things our political overlords get up to. I think there's less going on today than before, but that could be just wishful thinking. I mentioned Cyril Smith before. He was almost certainly a predatory paedophile who got away with it. He was protected by shadowy establishment figures, and the best guess is that it was because he was part of a paedophile ring that included very powerful individuals, and had he been prosecuted he would have named names. The only member of that ring we can be certain of is Cyril Smith himself.

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Claims a police officer was threatened with the Official Secrets Act over allegations of child sex abuse relating to Cyril Smith are to be investigated.

The Manchester Evening News has reported claims an officer was warned to keep quiet after he found the former Rochdale MP at a house with two boys.

Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said the unnamed former officer had not reported the claims to police.

But GMP said they would be examined as part of its alleged "cover-up" probe.

Twenty-three people have claimed they were abused by the Liberal MP, who died aged 82 in 2010.

Police said allegations against Smith related to teenage boys in Rochdale between 1960 to 1987.

Northamptonshire Police is also probing claims police released Smith after child pornography was found in the boot of his car on the M1 in the 1980s.

Assistant Chief Constable Ian Wiggett said: "These allegations will be examined by Operation Clifton, a criminal investigation launched by GMP in July 2014 into how previous reports of child sexual abuse were handled or allegedly covered up.

"Clearly there are people who are willing to talk to the media but who have not yet spoken to police."

He appealed for anyone with information about the way authorities including GMP dealt with reports of historical child abuse to come forward.

He also urged victims who suffered abuse in care homes and other institutions who made complaints at the time or who "have suffered in silence" and not reported abuse to contact police.

He said GMP had allocated "considerable resources" to the investigation and was "committed to investigate all the allegations as best we can" in order "to get to the truth".

"GMP has no interest in covering up any of these issues and indeed many of the current members of the force were not serving at the time when some of this is alleged to have occurred," Mr Wiggett said.

On Tuesday, BBC Newsnight reported an undercover police operation that gathered evidence of child abuse by Smith and other public figures was scrapped shortly after the MP was arrested in the 1980s.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-31965044<br />

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Already in October/November 2013 Germany media complained the chicken-hearted (Hasenherzigkeit)German government.
We are a "democratic and social federal state", with "the legislature bound by the constitutional order, the executive and the judiciary by law and justice" the Süddeutsche Zeitung wrote on November 8, 2013, quoting our constitution. And that report ends with this sentence:"Unwritten [in the constitution] is this principle: the Federal Republic is a very US-fearing country."

That may very well be that "the Federal Republic is a very US-fearing country" but it does not detract from the reality that any country involved with spying on other countries would welcome with open arms someone like Edward Snowden who absconded to another continent with highly secret government documents. Someone like Snowden is not exactly a desired citizen by any government even though perhaps the *people* would honor Snowden with all sorts of acknowledgment of merit.

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@Frank Apisa,

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an element of conspiracy...like you are a contributor t

LOL trying to discredit someone making an argument base of historic facts by calling it an unfounded conspiracy theory is silly and does you no credit at all

In fact my postings here have little or nothing to do with any conspiracy theories..

By the way as a footnote there had in fact been proven conspiracies in history as in the gun power plot to blow up the English Parliament or the Booth conspiracy to wiped out not only Lincoln but the other top leadership of the government at the time or a number of conspiracies to killed Hitler for that matter. An let not forget the 911 conspiracy and the claimed need by the intelligence community to monitor everyone to stopped similar conspiracies.

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@Frank Apisa,

Dont dismiss him too quickly Frank. He does have a point. Dont forget Hoover and the FBI after he took it over. The man was blackmailing a lot of people.

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@izzythepush,

I think that we have less of this garbage going on today because of the internet. There is a lot of garbage on it but if you do a lot of investigation one can learn a lot about government and its lowlifes. Unfortunately some people like Bill misinterpret the information they get.

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@RABEL222,

He does occasionally talk a bit of sense though. Note my deliberate use of the words occasionally and bit.

Re Cyril Smith, I don't know if we'll ever get to the truth, a lot of witnesses including police are too scared to testify. They need cast iron immunity from prosecution under the official secrets act. This just does not cut it.

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Theresa May has said the claims a police investigation into the late Liberal MP Cyril Smith was scrapped, and corruption blocked other historic police operations into child abuse, were “shocking and could lead to criminal prosecutions”.

The Conservative home secretary also told a committee of MPs on Tuesday she hoped immunity from prosecution under the Official Secrets Act will be offered to former police officers and intelligence agents who are prepared to testify about allegations of paedophile rings and other child sex abuse to the police, or to the government’s separate public inquiry.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/17/home-secretary-theresa-may-cyril-smith-cover-up-claims-shocking-prosecutions

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@RABEL222,

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Unfortunately some people like Bill misinterpret the information they get.

LOL you might wish to tell us all about what information I had misinterpret.

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@BillRM,

Damn near everything you post. Just read back over the various sites on a2k and you can find many people who have corrected most of your posts. But of course not only do you misinterpret but ignore the facts presented. You are the 2nd most clueless poster on this site.

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@BillRM,

You take the disproportionate amount of black men in jail as proof of their greater criminality as opposed to institutional racism in the justice system.

And you start posts with LOL, which, unless you're still going through puberty, is proof you're an idiot.

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@izzythepush,

I have never liked your secrets act but we have something to a lessor degree here in the states. We supposedly have more freedom of speech and action but if some federal prosecutor decides to charge you with some crime your ass is grass because they have unlimited funds and all kinds of investigators. Even if you win you lose because you'll be financially ruined. Damn I full of bull today.

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@izzythepush,

What the hell does lol mean?

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@izzythepush,

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You take the disproportionate amount of black men in jail as proof of their greater criminality as opposed to institutional racism in the justice system.

That news to me as I been one of the posters here that stated we should stop warehousing such a large percent of the total black population in the US behind bars.

With one adult in three blacks males are ex-felons in my state of Florida with out the right to even vote.

Any extra criminality that is found in the black population is not base of race, in my opinion, but on a culture where for example the fathers of black children are far less likely to be married to the mothers of their children then other groups. A state of being that is fairly new as in the 1950s for example the out of wedlock birth rate for blacks was only 20 percents

Whites or blacks or whatever skin color who are not raised in a stable two parents households are far more likely to do badly in life.

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