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Snowdon is a dummy

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oralloy
 
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Sat 14 Mar, 2015 02:44 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
RABEL222 wrote:
I like to think that if an unbiased poll were taken by someone other than a jewish backed organization a majority of honest americans would condemn Israel.

LOL..............Love to see how you selected so call honest Americans. My guess would be anti-semitismes would be your honest Americans.

Pretty easy guess. Anti-Semites are the only ones who ever have a problem with Jews defending themselves.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 14 Mar, 2015 02:44 pm
@BillRM,

cicerone imposter wrote:
holocaust they're going through in Israel; losing their homes, and getting bombed in UN shelters. Dead is dead no matter the kind and period.

Wow. What kind of monster uses the term "Holocaust" to refer to people who get killed in self defense as they try to murder Jewish children?


BillRM wrote:
Those poor poor people how dare the Jews protected themselves from hundreds/thousands of war rockets launch at their population centers at random by going after the launchers that just so happen to had been placed in the middle of the Palestinians camps.

The Jews should allowed themselves to be blown up instead of risking harming the hair on one Palestinian head by taking actions to stop those rockets.

No kidding. Some people think that it is a crime for a Jew to defend his children when someone tries to murder them.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 14 Mar, 2015 02:44 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Oh? most so call civilized people do not placed military targets right next to children and other civilians in an attempted to used them as shields or for that matter launched rockets at random toward cities full of women and children.

Not only that, but Israel is willing to let the Palestinians have 1967 borders if only they would make peace, and Israel has offered that over and over and over for decades. The Palestinians simply refuse to ever make peace.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 14 Mar, 2015 02:45 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
As far as the ratio being unbalance that is just too damn bad as it does not change the right and the duty of a nation to protect it own citizens.

The ratio isn't actually unbalanced. Most of the supposed Palestinian deaths are fictitious.

But yes, the few instances that aren't faked are all cases of legitimate self defense.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 14 Mar, 2015 03:25 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Unfortunately we don't confine our executions to the clearly guilty.


Sure we can by having prosecutors only seeking the death penalty in such cases for example and I have little to no problem cutting down on the numbers of people who end up on death row but damn if I am going to supported not executing clearly guilty mass murderers.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 21 Mar, 2015 04:10 am
According to press reports, the United States threatened to withhold information on terrorist attacks in Germany if Berlin offered asylum to Edward Snowden. The White House has denied the accusation.

Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel's was telling the German daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that was no legal basis for offering Snowden asylum in Germany. (Gabriel is Federal minister of economic affairs and energy as well as the head of the Social Democratic Party)

The Obama administration has denied the accusation of threatening to withhold information from Berlin, according to Washington newspaper The Hill, which quotes a statement from a senior official calling the suggestion that the US threatened to withhold intelligence "baseless."
revelette2
 
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Sat 21 Mar, 2015 09:06 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I guess I will be watching to see if any proof comes up in connection with the reports from the press.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 21 Mar, 2015 09:18 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Forgetting for a moment the rumor and the speculation about the rumor on the part of "Washington"...

...I thought Germany could not offer Snowen asylum.

Am I wrong on that?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 21 Mar, 2015 10:21 am
@Frank Apisa,
As is said in my post:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel's was telling the German daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that was no legal basis for offering Snowden asylum in Germany. (Gabriel is Federal minister of economic affairs and energy as well as the head of the Social Democratic Party)
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 21 Mar, 2015 10:51 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

As is said in my post:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel's was telling the German daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that was no legal basis for offering Snowden asylum in Germany. (Gabriel is Federal minister of economic affairs and energy as well as the head of the Social Democratic Party)



Not sure if the "that" was meant to be a "there."

If not...my question still stands.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 21 Mar, 2015 11:35 am
@Frank Apisa,
My bad. Sorry. (Sometimes, I make more mistakes than usually, especially, when reading in German, translating from German to English, writing in English, and doing other stuff as well. I'm not a woman - twomen can do three things at the same time, and all correctly.)

I should have been "that there was no legal reason".
revelette2
 
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Sat 21 Mar, 2015 01:26 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Ok, since it was determined there was no legal reason to off Snowden asylum, why would the US need to issue threats to Germany to keep that from happening?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 21 Mar, 2015 01:47 pm
@revelette2,
It is (seems to be) the government's opinion.
There is nor has there been a formal application for asylum. Thus, nothing has been determined, neither by the Federal Office for Migration and Refugees or, if they had refused it, by the administrative court.

If (!) the USA really had threatened Germany, the only result could have been that ... the government said, there is no reason to grant Snowden asylum.
revelette2
 
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Sat 21 Mar, 2015 08:11 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
If (!) the USA really had threatened Germany, the only result could have been that ... the government said, there is no reason to grant Snowden asylum.


Exactly, which makes it senseless for the US to threaten Germany as the reports suggest. I think rumor is completely bogus.
izzythepush
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 01:44 am
@revelette2,
How do you define a threat? Doubtless America put pressure on Germany, because most German citizens want to give Snowden asylum.

My take is those spooks probably found something about the German government they'd rather keep quiet.

We're just seeing the beginnings of the cover up involving Cyril Smith.
BillRM
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 06:08 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Doubtless America put pressure on Germany, because most German citizens want to give Snowden asylum.


My guess is not the government directly but some high place leaders of that government as in personal blackmail of the type that Hoover used to employed against members of congress and even presidents of the US.
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korkamann
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 06:29 am
@izzythepush,
It's a possibility Germany is concerned with its own "coverup" which is not the subject of this thread, I know. All governments spy on other governments. If such is the case one can understand Germany's reluctance to accede to Snowden's request.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 07:37 am
@korkamann,
korkamann wrote:
It's a possibility Germany is concerned with its own "coverup" which is not the subject of this thread, I know.
Actually, this "coverup" certainly is related to thread: if there hadn't been the Snowden documents, we wouldn't know about it (at least, not at this time).
korkamann
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 08:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:

korkamann wrote:
It's a possibility Germany is concerned with its own "coverup" which is not the subject of this thread, I know.
Actually, this "coverup" certainly is related to thread: if there hadn't been the Snowden documents, we wouldn't know about it (at least, not at this time).'


What I should have said was this particular conversation. I realize the thread intrinsically is about "coverup" but at this conversation we were discussing the detail Germany not seeing a reason to give Snowden asylum. Germany's technology might not equate to that of the US when it comes to spying but it's not from a lack of trying. Each government would want the best technology to spy on the other. Merkel's phone was listened in on and she was angry; despite that her government is very much involved with spying on other countries. It is understandable that governments would not be particularly partial to any "Edward Snowden's" request.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 09:08 am
@korkamann,
Already in October/November 2013 Germany media complained the chicken-hearted (Hasenherzigkeit)German government.
We are a "democratic and social federal state", with "the legislature bound by the constitutional order, the executive and the judiciary by law and justice" the Süddeutsche Zeitung wrote on November 8, 2013, quoting our constitution. And that report ends with this sentence:"Unwritten [in the constitution] is this principle: the Federal Republic is a very US-fearing country."
 

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