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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2015 07:35 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
More BS by the king of BSers.


LOL one of the major reasons we enter WW1 was the Zimmerman telegram that offer Mexico German aid in getting back the US southwest.

In any case, no nation would not had done what Israel did when face with random missile attacks over their borders aim at their population centers.

The resulting deaths are on the hands of the Palestinians leadership and no where else.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 10 Mar, 2015 02:42 am
@BillRM,
You're pig ignorant and wilfully so. You don't want to know the truth. Look at the treatment of the Palestinians in Hebron, in the West Bank. They aren't threatening anyone, still being threatened, intimidated assaulted and even killed by right wing settlers.

The Palestinians biggest crime is being born, and just like the Cherokee, you think that's a crime that deserves the death penalty.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2015 03:04 pm
@BillRM,
How does a racist prick like you justify pardoning all the illegal shyt Israel does to the Pals. Hell even the European settlers have the right to kill Palistianians while protected by Isralie solders just in case the Pals try to retaliate.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2015 04:01 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
How does a racist prick like you j


You do know that by DNA the Jews and the Palistianians are very similar so by logic it hard to be a racist toward just one or the other of those two peoples.

Of course logic does not seems to be your strong point.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2015 04:09 pm
@RABEL222,
Interesting subject even if it cause problems for your simple viewpoint of the world and your even simpler insults.



Quote:



http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/news/2011/09/jews-palestinians-have-close-genetic-ties-say-researchers.php



Jews, Palestinians have close genetic ties, say researchers
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As many as 90 percent of Palestinians in some areas have close genetic ties to Jews, according to researchers.
Ariella Oppenheim Ph.D., a researcher at Hebrew University and the Hadassah Medical School labs, has published the result of DNA studies which show that both the Palestinians and Jews are descended from the Kurds of Iraq and Turkey.
That should astonish no one since both the Bible and the Koran say the Jews and Arabs are descended from a common ancestor, an ancient Caldean who the Koran calls Ibrahim. The Bible says he was named Abraham.
Perhaps more surprising, Oppenheim found the Ashkenazi Jews from Europe are genetically closer to the Palestinians than Middle East Jews.
Oppenheim also isolated and traced the chromosome for the “priestly” Cohen line.
“We find that Arabs also carry this chromosome,” she noted in a documentary film, which claims that some Palestinians are also Cohens, genetically.
The Palestinian city of Yatta, located south of Hebron in the West Bank, has a population of 50,000 to 60,000 people. The Israeli documentary states that 90 percent of the town has Jewish roots.
Furthermore, many of them practice ancient customs that are very Jewish.
“In some of the dry and dusty Palestinian and Bedouin villages, they still circumcise their boys after the seventh day,” writes Mark Ellis on the website “Godreports.” Hidden away in some Palestinian homes are Jewish mezuzahs and tefillin. Some older residents can recall lighting candles on the Sabbath.
“Many of the Palestinians know it, but it’s not politically correct to acknowledge this publicly among Muslims,” says Steve Hagerman, founder of Turkish World Outreach. “There are two houses of Israel in the Holy Land: one aligned with the West and primarily secular or Jewish and the other aligned with the East and primarily Islam.”
Anyone who is familiar with Hebrew history should not be surprised by the DNA results. After all, the Bible records that after King Solomon’s death, the Kingdom of Israel split into northern and southern kingdoms. When the northern kingdom of Israel was conquered and taken into captivity by the Assyrians in 745-702 B.C., most were sent to the east — never to return, Hagerman notes.
Centuries later after some from the southern kingdom returned from captivity in Babylon, they were dispersed throughout the world again through the Roman conquest — with many Jews carried away as slaves or choosing to flee the Holy Land.
“Many of the people in southern and central Italy are of Jewish origin, because so many slaves were carried away by the Romans to big estates in southern Italy,” reports Haterman.
Documentary filmmaker Nissim Mossek quotes Rabbi Dov Stein who claims, “It becomes clear that a significant part of the Arabs in the land of Israel are actually descendants of Jews who were forced to convert to Islam over the centuries. There are studies which indicate that 85% of this group is of Jewish origin.
Oppenheim’s genetic studies seem to confirm that connection.
Mossek filmed a Palestinian home where the Jewish mezuzah was hidden under a shelf, and the tefillin are hidden among the socks in a dresser. A mezuzah is a parchment of scripture placed on the doorpost by religious Jews. Tefillin, also known as phylacteries, are a set of small boxes containing scrolls of parchment inscribed with scripture, which are worn by observant Jews during morning prayers.
A Palestinian woman interviewed on the program says, “That is how I pray and everyone keeps the secret.”
“Will your little boy find out he is Jewish? an interviewer asks.
“He will find out eventually,” she says.


Read more: http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/news/2011/09/jews-palestinians-have-close-genetic-ties-say-researchers.php#ixzz3U7Kjlf3i
Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/news/2011/09/jews-palestinians-have-close-genetic-ties-say-researchers.php#JPXmOMPqjofVZV6Q.99
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2015 05:01 pm
@BillRM,
Why would it cause problems for anyone who wants a just solution in Palestine? The fact you think it would cause problems shows you for the bigot you are.

The vast majority of supporters of Palestine want the occupation of the West Bank, the siege of Gaza and the construction of illegal settlements to end. That's it. It's only genocidal freaks like you who want the total annihilation of one side or the other.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2015 06:03 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
It's only genocidal freaks like you who want the total annihilation of one side or the other.


Hmm it is the Palestinians that for generations wished to drive the Jews into the sea not the other way around and when the US give back the southwest Israel will likely give up the lands they spend blood in gaining after being attacked by 5 or 6 armies at the same time.

In any case genocidal is the act of launching random rockets attacks on another people populations centers not the act of taking those launchers out.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2015 06:45 pm
@BillRM,
You are a moron. Israel is occupying the West Bank, Israel is driving, and has driven the Palestinians out of their homes. Israel is building illegal settlements on occupied land. That's what's actually happening.

In your world "wishes" mean more than reality. Do you believe in pixies and unicorns and wishing on a star?

How do you know what all the Palestinians wish for anyway? Did the unicorn tell you when you went to his candy floss castle?

I deal with reality.

Quote:
United Nations Security Council resolution 446, adopted on 22 March 1979, concerned the issue of Israeli settlements in the "Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem". This refers to the Palestinian territories of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip as well as the Syrian Golan Heights.

In the Resolution, the Security Council determined: "that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East"

The Resolution was adopted by 12 votes to none, with 3 abstentions from Norway, the United Kingdom and the United States of America.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_446
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2015 06:50 pm
@izzythepush,
I can not wait until the UN tell us our settlements in the southwest are illegal and need to be return to Mexico.

Oh where was the UN when Israel was being attacked on every border that they happen to have at the time?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2015 10:21 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
2013 at the UN: 21 resolutions against Israel, 4 on rest of the world
This Is Probably The Best Christmas Lights Decoration For 2014! (Buzzwok)
Published on November 25, 2013 in General Assembly by unwatch. Closed
The U.N. General Assembly in 2013 adopted a total of 21 resolutions singling out Israel for criticism — and 4 resolutions on the rest of the world combined. See the texts and votes below.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 02:31 am
@BillRM,
Here we go again. Now it's the rest of the world that's wrong. You're just like a backward teenager. You don't have the wherewithal to argue your case and end up saying that those who disagree with you are just wrong, or not impartial.

Chances are that someone who writes like he just spent the last year being kicked repeatedly in the head by a mule is wrong, because he's a moron incapable of speech, let alone reason.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 08:17 am
Edward Snowden report: MPs call for major overhaul of surveillance laws
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The oversight of Britain’s snooping laws used by spying agencies needs a complete overhaul following the Edward Snowden leaks, an influential report by MPs has said.

A lengthy inquiry by the Intelligence and Security Committee concluded that laws governing the activities of GCHQ, MI5 and MI6 are “unnecessarily complicated”, “lack transparency” and should be replaced with a single Act of Parliament.

It concluded that GCHQ conducts “bulk interception” of private communications every day, involving thousands of messages, but said the agencies did not carry out indiscriminate surveillance.

The report by MPs added that “only a tiny fraction of those collected are ever seen by human eyes”.
[...]
Speaking on behalf of the Committee, Labour MP Hazel Blears said: "There is a legitimate public expectation of openness and transparency in today's society, and the security and intelligence agencies are not exempt from that.

"While we accept that they need to operate in secret if they are to be able to protect us from those who are plotting in secret to harm us, the Government must make every effort to ensure that information is placed in the public domain when it is safe to do so.

"This report is an important first step toward greater transparency.

"Nevertheless, there is more that could and should be done. This is essential to improve public understanding and retain confidence in the vital work of the intelligence and security Agencies."

However the long-awaited publication of the report was dismissed civil liberties campaigner Shami Chakrabarti.

"The ISC has repeatedly shown itself as a simple mouthpiece for the spooks - so clueless and ineffective that it's only thanks to Edward Snowden that it had the slightest clue of the agencies' antics,” the Liberty director said.

"The Committee calls this report a landmark for 'openness and transparency' - but how do we trust agencies who have acted unlawfully, hacked the world's largest sim card manufacturer and developed technologies capable of collecting our login details and passwords, manipulating our mobile devices and hacking our computers and webcams?

"No doubt it would be simpler if we went along with the spies' motto of 'no scrutiny for us, no privacy for you' - but what an appalling deal for the British public."

Yvette Cooper, Labour’s shadow home secretary, welcomed the report and said it provided a much more “thoughtful” solution than the coalition’s “sticking plaster legislation” that the government put forward last summer.

“Too often the Tories and the Liberal Democrats within the Government have tried to set up a caricatured argument between security on the one hand and liberty on the other. Yet most people know it’s vital to protect both in our democracy, and we need a thoughtful debate about how to get the detail right. That's what this report does.

“This important ISC Report now needs to be considered, alongside the independent review into RIPA to be published by David Anderson shortly, so we can update the legal framework to cope with fast changing technology.

“Sticking plaster legislation - as the government put forward last summer - just isn't good enough. We need a serious and sustainable framework that will command consent for years to come."
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 08:22 am
@Walter Hinteler,
British spies sacked for inappropriately and illicitly snooping on private information
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GCHQ spooks have been sacked for inappropriately accessing people’s personal information, it emerged today.

The small number of British spies who have illicitly gathered personal data should face criminal charges for doing so, Hazel Blears, the spokeswoman for the Intelligence Security Committee, told Sky News.
[...]
Though spy agencies and governments claim that the information kept is largely tactical — including metadata that can be used to identify whether people are plotting terrorist attacks — the sackings imply that personal information can also be found and accessed by spooks.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 08:28 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Hardly the first time that had happen with CIA/NSA personal using the databases to check up on lovers for example.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 09:40 am
@BillRM,
Might be so. But only the GCHQ is under British law and jurisdiction.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 10:47 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Might be so. But only the GCHQ is under British law and jurisdiction.


So as they are both in bed with each other and are sharing databases.

Then human nature is human nature and it someone have access to such information without very very tight control such events will occur.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 10:54 am
@Walter Hinteler,
By the way what do you think the chances are that the UK Prime Minister David Cameron directly or indirectly is not using the intelligence data basics for political purposes?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 11:32 am
@BillRM,
I suppose, any head of any government in any country uses the intelligence service (and their data) for political purpose - they are politicians here.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 08:39 pm
@BillRM,
Quick to change the subject when you were getting pounded weren't you Bill?
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 09:07 pm
@RABEL222,
Changing the subject?

Seems that the misused and the likely misused of all the mountain of data being collected by the US and the UK and others nations in partnership is on target on this thread.
 

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