Snowdon is a dummy

Someone needs to send Obama and a few US congressmen to Gitmo for a week or two, as inmates, complete with the force feeding through nose tubes 3 times a day and all. Just to remind them that this shame is going on.

You don't like my idea of jailing Barak Obama and John Boehner in Gitmo? Why?

Then we could quietly discuss how immensly complicated it would to try and free them, and conclude with a grave face that, as much as it grieves us, we need to keep them in there until their death...

Frank Apisa wrote:

If you want to think that America, its citizens, and its political structure are particularly loathsome...and do not care about the problems to which you refer...there is not much I or anyone else can do about that. You certainly are free to continue to feel that way.

As I said, there are many Americans here who agree with you.

Based on the conversations in this thread, I've concluded that there may be more to you then I've previously concluded. I certainly object to all your lies in some of the other threads, but I'm going to risk taking you off ignore.

Perhaps you don't care if I have you on ignore or not. But it seems courteous to inform you.

How many innocent lives lost does it take for you to determine they are terrorists?

The Toll Of 5 Years Of Drone Strikes: 2,400 Dead
The Huffington Post | By Matt Sledge

The U.S. drone program under President Barack Obama reached its fifth anniversary on Thursday having tallied up an estimated death toll of at least 2,400 people.

As the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, a U.K.-based non-profit, details on its website, five years ago the CIA conducted the first drone strikes of the Obama presidency. Although there were reports of suspected "militants" killed, at least 14 civilians also died that day.

After those initial mistakes, TBIJ notes, Obama rapidly ramped up the drone program in Pakistan and increased its use in Yemen and Somalia, two countries where al Qaeda affiliates expanded their presence during Obama's presidency.

Obama recently told The New Yorker that he "wrestle[s]" with civilian casualties. But, he said, he has "a solemn duty and responsibility to keep the American people safe. That’s my most important obligation as President and Commander-in-Chief. And there are individuals and groups out there that are intent on killing Americans -- killing American civilians, killing American children, blowing up American planes."

Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International issued a pair of reports in October fiercely criticizing the secrecy that shrouds the administration's drone program, and calling for investigations into the deaths of drone victims with no apparent connection to terrorism. In Pakistan alone, TBIJ estimates, between 416 and 951 civilians, including 168 to 200 children, have been killed.

But we stack up favorably to what the English, French, and Germans have done over the years. For that lot to claim indignation is both absurd and hypocritical.

Don't try to put words in my mouth. You were deliberately trying to belittle the enormity of Guantanamo Bay by suggesting all nations had something equally monstrous going on. You were ask to give an example, you couldn't.

It's possible to be outraged by Guantanamo Bay and not feel the need to run around screaming 'Death To America!' I know that's a concept you find hard to understand seeing as you're still in the G. W. Bush mindset of either with us or against us.

I disagree with you in many respects, but apparently we are one in feeling that there are way too many people taking pot shots at America for what appears to be no reason but...uhhh, well who the hell knows what.

is not the measure of terrorism it is the deliberate targeting of non-combatives instead of military targets.

Frank Apisa wrote:

But we stack up favorably to what the English, French, and Germans have done over the years. For that lot to claim indignation is both absurd and hypocritical.

I've always, as long as I can remember, damned that darkest period of Germany, when we had had the concentration camps ... and I'm looking quite unbiased on what had been done before that time, e.g. during and pre-WWI or even earlier.

I really wonder what the world's outcry would be, if Germany created something like Guantanamo.

I really wonder what the world's outcry would be, if Germany created something like Guantanamo.

I really wonder what the world's outcry would be, if Germany created something like Guantanamo.

Other problems will apply. Doesn't need to be the same ones exactly. Like: 'Boehner has wowed to fight back, which means he's a likely future terrorist. We can't release him, he'd be too dangerous.'

Let's stick to the here and now, how 21st Century Liberal Democracies are supposed to behave.

Instead of condemning Guantanamo you seem dead set on supporting it.

You're on the same side of the argument as Oralboy. That should tell you something.

Doesn't drones fit that definition?