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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
revelette2
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 03:17 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I'm confused, probably been on here too long today, what second source?
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ehBeth
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 03:21 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Without reading the article you provided,


I think it's worth taking a read of what revelette2 posted. It makes it even clearer what a mess the American gov't made of things - and how Mr. Snowden became disillusioned.

If the gov't had wanted to protect the released documents, it could have - if it had taken basic precautions that are normal in unsophisticated organizations.
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BillRM
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 03:23 pm
@revelette2,
LOL he without a master degree was good enough to be hired as an IT expert by the CIA and by the wikipedia article he was indeed studying at the UK Liverpool University by online study for a master degree.

Next what in the hell does it matter if he had a normal high school degree or a GED? Nor is it needed as far as I know to get into a master program to have a BS first as long as you can show that by other means that you have the backgrounds that is equal to a four years degree.

It just more personal attacks without any foundation.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 03:23 pm
@revelette2,
In the search to find the facts about his master's degree pursuit, this is what I found on wiki.

Quote:
A source "with detailed knowledge on the matter" told Reuters that hiring screeners for Booz Allen had found some details of Snowden's education that "did not check out precisely," but decided to hire him anyway; Reuters stated that the element which triggered these concerns, or the manner in which Snowden satisfied the concerns, were not known.[45] The résumé stated that Snowden attended computer-related classes at Johns Hopkins University. A spokesperson for Johns Hopkins said that the university did not find records to show that Snowden attended the university, and suggested that he may instead have attended Advanced Career Technologies, a private for-profit organization which operated as "Computer Career Institute at Johns Hopkins."[45] The University College of the University of Maryland acknowledged that Snowden had attended a summer session at a UM campus in Asia. Snowden's résumé stated that he estimated that he would receive a University of Liverpool computer security master's degree in 2013. The university said that Snowden registered for an online master's degree program in computer security in 2011 but that "he is not active in his studies and has not completed the program."[45]

Booz Allen hired Snowden knowing about his questionable educational background. Nothing wrong with that! Having worked in management and responsible for hiring, I also hired Accountants that knew how to solve simple accounting problems over those with advanced degrees who didn't.


Also of more importance since many accused Snowden of not trying to follow proper protocol in reporting "the NSA programs as unconstitutional."

Quote:
Snowden said that, using "internal channels of dissent", he had told multiple employees and two supervisors about his concerns that the NSA programs were unconstitutional. An NSA spokesperson responded, saying they had "not found any evidence to support Mr. Snowden's contention that he brought these matters to anyone's attention."[53] Snowden elaborated in January 2014, saying " made tremendous efforts to report these programs to co-workers, supervisors, and anyone with the proper clearance who would listen. The reactions of those I told about the scale of the constitutional violations ranged from deeply concerned to appalled, but no one was willing to risk their jobs, families, and possibly even freedom to go through what Drake did."[95] In March 2014, during testimony to the European Parliament, Snowden wrote that before revealing classified information he had reported "clearly problematic programs" to ten officials, who he said did nothing in response.[96] In a May 2014 interview, Snowden told NBC News that after bringing his concerns about the legality of the NSA spying programs to officials, he was told to stay silent on the matter. Snowden said:
The NSA has records—they have copies of emails right now to their Office of General Counsel, to their oversight and compliance folks from me raising concerns about the NSA's interpretations of its legal authorities. I had raised these complaints not just officially in writing through email, but to my supervisors, to my colleagues, in more than one office. I did it in Fort Meade. I did it in Hawaii. And many, many of these individuals were shocked by these programs. They had never seen them themselves. And the ones who had, went, "You know, you're right. … But if you say something about this, they're going to destroy you".[36]


He did but was unsuccessful because many feared for their jobs.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 03:42 pm
Actually, though, the question remaining is: Did Edward Snowden steal classified government documents and give them to people who were not authorized to receive them?

That is the basis of the charges against him.

I would like him to get a fair trial on those charges.

His education; his work history; his motives for stealing the documents (if he did steal them)...are not really relevant to the issue.


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revelette2
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 04:07 pm
@BillRM,
Yes, he took some classes or courses, but was not about to get a master degree or any degree.

The article said later investigations said it was stretching the truth.

ehBeth is right, it just shows how very lax they all are, it is kind of surprising. I hope it taught them all a lesson.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 04:10 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
Yes, he took some classes or courses, but was not about to get a master degree or any degree.


That really doesn't matter, does it. Booz Allen hired him knowing his lack of a master's degree. They chose wisely; ability is more important than formal education.
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BillRM
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 04:19 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
it is kind of surprising. I hope it taught them all a lesson.


What lesson would that be?

As far as anything I had read he was a top level employee and no one had a problem with his job preformed.

He gave up a good and comfortable life and a good future due to him being a patriot
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 04:25 pm
@BillRM,
Many mistake ability over formal education.

Bill Gates dropped out of college, and he became one of the wealthiest man.
revelette2
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 04:30 pm
@BillRM,
The lesson is for those groups to share information more readily than apparently they do. His information technological supervisor had him relieved of his job because he had suspicions Snowden was hacking into files he was not cleared to have access to. Had the people who later hired him in Hawaii have known that, then the whole Snowden affair would never had happened because he would not have been hired.

However, you would have thought they would learned that after 9/11 too.
BillRM
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 04:33 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Bill Gates dropped out of college, and he became one of the wealthiest man.


I already cover the fact that Steve Wozniak did not have a degree when he did the engineering that made the Apple 2 the world winner it was.

Only getting his degree long after Apple was a big player in computers and when he was so famous that he needed to attend college under a false name.

My former bio-medical company was created by a gentleman with no degree that with his engineering skills he turn into a billion dollars firm.

An then you have Edison who was completely self taught.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 04:34 pm
@revelette2,
No, they can't share information. There's a danger called defamation of character. It's really not that easy, and I have trained managers on how to overcome this handicap.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 04:35 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Bill Gates dropped out of college, and he became one of the wealthiest man.


I already cover the fact that Steve Wozniak did not have a degree when he did the engineering that made the Apple 2 the world winner it was.

Only getting his degree long after Apple was a big player in computers and when he was so famous that he needed to attend college under a false name.

My former bio-medical company was created by a gentleman with no degree that with his engineering skills he turn into a billion dollars firm.

An then you have Edison who was completely self taught.


Were any of those guys ever charged with stealing classified government documents...and turning them over to people not authorized to receive them?

If not...they really do not reflect on what is the salient ingredient in this discussion.
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BillRM
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 04:38 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
because he had suspicions


The important word there is suspicion of not found to had done so.

An what the hell does a low tech 911 terrorist attack have to do with IT administration or Snowden letting the American people know that they are being spy on using their own tax dollars to do so?
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 04:42 pm
@BillRM,
Some people make important decisions on "suspicion." Some people understand value.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 04:43 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:

Personally I find him a egotistical blowhard who set out to be famous, but to each their own.


I, too, continue to believe Snowden to be a pompous "blowhard" seeking attention.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 04:49 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Some people make important decisions on "suspicion." Some people understand value. Attacking the messenger is a mindless pursuit.

So what that Snowden is a "pompous blowhard?" You and some others don't understand the 'value' Snowden brought to our country, and the sacrifice he paid for it.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 04:52 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:

Quote:

Personally I find him a egotistical blowhard who set out to be famous, but to each their own.


I, too, continue to believe Snowden to be a pompous "blowhard" seeking attention.


I think he ultimately will greatly disappoint all the people putting so much stock in him.

I may be wrong...I acknowledge I often am.

But my sense of things is that the guy will show himself to be a self-aggrandizer who has played his supporters for fools.
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ehBeth
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 04:54 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
What any of us think of his personality is irrelevant to what he did, what was revealed, and what may happen as a result of the revelations.

It's similar to Julian Assange. He seems like a total asswipe to me - that doesn't mean I can't appreciate what he did in terms of revealing information that I believe needed to be revealed.
BillRM
 
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Mon 13 Oct, 2014 05:10 pm
@ehBeth,
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He seems like a total asswipe to me


Why?

In his personal life he was very low key and in a long term relationship that was so strong she decided to move to Moscow to be with him.
 

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