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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 04:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
One last info on tracing family members of slavery.
From http://www.slaverysite.com/Body/genealogy.htm
Quote:
Searching for African American Roots Today

What Alex Haley accomplished was impressive. His search involved difficult and sometimes tedious detective work, required a considerable amount of travel, a sizeable budget, and African words and stories passed on as an oral history from generation to generation over a period of two hundred years. It is perhaps not surprising that the publication of his book did not lead to a host of other, similar stories of African Americans finding their roots in the same fashion.

Fortunately, genealogical search resources and methods have improved since 1976. Census records are now key word searchable (30), making it a lot easier to trace freed slaves and their families in the years following the Civil War. Additionally, ancestry.com (29) recently added key word searchable digital slave registers from Barbados for the year 1834, when slavery was officially abolished in the British Empire. The records include the name of the owner; residence parish; and the name, gender, age, and nationality of the slave. There are 99,349 slave records, and 5,206 slave owners in the database. The records were required to be submitted by each colony after the implementation of the Abolition of Slave Trade Act in 1807, which made the trade of slaves from Africa to the British colonies illegal. When additional records of other British colonies are digitized and added to the online database (estimated completion January, 2008), it is expected that there will be a total of more than 3 million slave records in the database.

A comprehensive Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade database, called the Voyages Database, is now available at an open access web site (32), containing information on nearly 35,000 transatlantic slave trading voyages that occurred between 1514 and 1866. It is the largest uniform, consolidated database of its kind in the world. The database is estimated to include about 80% of the slaving voyages that ever sailed. An example of findings from the database - Professor Ira Berlin of the University of Maryland noted that "It confirms the overall volume of the slave trade, but tells us many new things of who went where and when. So that, for example, we now know that slaves from the Nigerian interior largely populated the Chesapeake region. Low-country South Carolina, on the other hand, was peopled by Africans from Angola and then from Sengambia." (33)

Additional online resources related to African American genealogical searches can be found on Cyndi's List (31) and Christine's Genealogy Website (47).

Another major advance since 1976 is the availability of DNA analysis. The use of genetic tools to trace African American roots was popularized recently on PBS television, and by the PBS Home Video DVD African American Lives, hosted by Henry Louis Gates, Jr. of Harvard University (28). In the DVD movie, Gates traces the ancestry of eight prominent African Americans: neurosurgeon Ben Carson, actress Whoopi Goldberg, Bishop T.D. Jakes, astronaut Mae Jemison, musician/producer Quincy Jones, sociologist Sara Lawrence-Lightfoot, comedian/actor Chris Tucker and TV pioneer/philanthropist Oprah Winfrey.

Several kinds of DNA analyses are available. It is possible to trace the male and female lines of ancestry, for example, to determine the earliest male and female ancestors in the family tree. To visualize this, note below the family tree of Margaret Beth Nolan of Tasmania, Australia which Beth has published on the internet (34). Tracing Beth's male ancestral line, we find Clifford J. Nolan, her father, then William H. Nolan, her paternal grandfather, and Patrick Nolan, her paternal great grandfather. Each of these men passed on to all of their sons the Y chromosome (27), and if Beth has a full brother, he too will have the same Y chromosome originally passed on by Patrick Nolan.
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hingehead
 
  3  
Wed 17 Jul, 2013 04:12 pm
@RABEL222,
Not being picky, I actually really enjoyed the reality shift of imagining medical research 'collages'

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/55550/119504830/stock-photo-scientific-background-collage-medical-research-119504830.jpg
izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 17 Jul, 2013 05:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It's hardly my own kind of accuracy, German means German, a person from Germany. It does not mean someone who can trace their ancestry back to Germany, even though Germany may not even have existed.

How far back to you want to go, because in the end we're all Africans?
izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 17 Jul, 2013 05:30 pm
@RABEL222,
I'm not going back over this thread because you're too lazy to answer a direct question. I've got other things to do.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 17 Jul, 2013 05:41 pm
@RABEL222,
Don't talk rot. Again, you're being vague. Tell me what specifically what bad things Europe did, that you believe were to Europe's advantage, that I have said were forced upon them by America.

Btw, I know you're quite ignorant of matters, but if we're talking about governments, and countries, it's not England, it's the UK. They're not the same thing, although I wouldn't expect you to understand.

If you're going to call me a liar, tell me specifically what I've lied about. Your problem is that you don't know the difference, you're devoid of intellectual curiosity. You believe what you're told. You don't think, you don't know how to think.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 05:42 pm
@hingehead,
You beat me to it.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 05:58 pm
@izzythepush,
You're welcome to determine anyone's nationality, culture, race, or anything else as you please. What's your problem? It means absolutely nothing to me how you determine who a German is. Got that?
JTT
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 05:59 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
You are a bigger liar than JTT pretending to be so justice and holy orientated


We're gonna have to start numbering these phony memes that y'all trot out to avoid the facts, Rabel. This one, above, is #4. So instead of having to spell it all out, then trudging thru your dictionary to correct your mistakes, you can just write #4.

While I've got your attention, could to tell me how you feel about having to live such a gigantic lie? I mean, doesn't it piss you off that all the bullshit you've been fed about the US as the savior of the oppressed is a toxic mega lie?

Did you go trudging off to SE Asia to take part in those monumental war crimes that were Vietnam? Got any boys who got to do Iraq or Afghanistan?
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izzythepush
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 06:21 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I don't have a problem with how you define yourself, but when you say something that's misleading, I don't know that I can take what you say at face value. I've never had that problem with your posts before. Once you start extending definitions ad infinitum they lose all meaning.

Humpty Dumpty took the book and looked at it carefully. 'That seems to be done right —' he began.

'You're holding it upside down!' Alice interrupted.

'To be sure I was!' Humpty Dumpty said gaily as she turned it round for him. 'I thought it looked a little queer. As I was saying, that seems to be done right — though I haven't time to look it over thoroughly just now — and that shows that there are three hundred and sixty-four days when you might get un-birthday presents —'

'Certainly,' said Alice.

'And only one for birthday presents, you know. There's glory for you!'

'I don't know what you mean by "glory",' Alice said.

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. 'Of course you don't — till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"'

'But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument",' Alice objected.

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 06:36 pm
@izzythepush,
If you tell me what's "misleading," maybe I can answer you.

I'm pretty direct in my responses, so unless I misread something (I've been guilty of sloppy reading), my responses should usually answer any question posed to me.

I try to answer truthfully and to the best of my knowledge. If people show me that I'm wrong, I usually apologize.

Most people know where I stand on most issues, political or religious, and even philosophy.

I try my best. Gotta keep greasing that grey matter upstairs, or it can begin to falter. Mr. Green





JTT
 
  0  
Wed 17 Jul, 2013 07:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
so unless I misread something (I've been guilty of sloppy reading), my responses should usually answer any question posed to me.

I try to answer truthfully and to the best of my knowledge. If people show me that I'm wrong, I usually apologize.


If Izzy delivered you any of the many truths that you studiously avoid, you would stop replying to him. He lobs you softballs.

It's fatuous for you to suggest what you have suggested above.
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Olivier5
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 08:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Oh I'm a ******* idiot now, because you can't follow a conversation?

The topic of this sub-thread, or at least of the post I originally replied to , was always the incapacity of individual African American to trace their personal ancestry to some part of Africa or another (guinea cost, congo, etc) like whites do with particular parts of Europe (germany, ireland, etc.). Check it out if you don't trust a ******* idiot:

http://able2know.org/topic/217301-52#post-5387688
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Wed 17 Jul, 2013 08:56 pm
@Olivier5,
No, you asked me a question. I answered it. Then, you say it's off topic of this thread. Yea, you're a ******* idiot!
Olivier5
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 09:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
And what question did I ask you??
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Wed 17 Jul, 2013 09:44 pm
@Olivier5,
You made this statement.
Quote:
@cicerone imposter,
The point is, historian have an idea of where slaves came from in aggregate numbers, thanks to boats and harbors' registries, but not where individual slaves came from. They were considered and treated like cattle, and whatever info is available is not at the individual level.

Which is why you know where precisely your ancestors came from, but most African Americans do not know that. They just know their origin as "somewhere in Africa".


I didn't agree with your statement, and provided several sources that challenged your statement.

Then you said something about "it's not the subject of this thread."

I challenged, then you respond with "it's not the subject of this thread."

Yea, I find that quite idiotic.
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Wed 17 Jul, 2013 09:57 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Let me add one more fact. Not everybody is interested in geneology. In our family, I'm the only one who did research, and shared what I found with my cousins. I wrote to the city hall in Hiroshima, and what they sent back were all in Chinese caligraphy that very few Japanese know how to read. Fortunately for me, my brother had a friend from Japan, a professor, who translated over 90% of the document into English. My siblings and children could care less about our family tree.

For those who are interested in their geneology, there are now many sources they can research. When my wife and I were in Salt Lake City a year go while visiting the national parks, we visited the family history library at the Mormon church, and I was able to find the 1910 US census that shows our family was the third listed in Paia in Maui. My father was 2 years old.

With DNA, most anyone can trace their ancestry.
Olivier5
 
  0  
Wed 17 Jul, 2013 10:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Oh so now it's not a question anymore but a statement I made, huh? To which you replied out of topic by quoting AGGREGATE figures. Try to keep up with us idiots, will you?
cicerone imposter
 
  -2  
Wed 17 Jul, 2013 10:10 pm
@Olivier5,
Yea, your statement that I challenged. That's all part and parcel of participation on a2k, because it was in response to my earlier post.

When anybody makes a statement that I disagree with, I'll challenge it. They are welcome to challenge what I post too.

You got a problem with that?
Olivier5
 
  0  
Wed 17 Jul, 2013 10:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You can challenge whatever you please, but first try and understand what others are actually talking about. And don't call them idiots when you don't.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 10:24 pm
@Olivier5,
I just calls em the way I sees em, and I'm a senior......so, maybe, dementia?


 

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