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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 11:20 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter, I'm afraid the German experience has forever devalued anything that has to do with keeping track of race and ethnicity. Biomedical research and medical practice demands that race and ethnicity be part and parcel of good health for all. It's not always about extermination.
Olivier5
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 11:41 am
@cicerone imposter,
The US obsession with 'race' comes from slavery, segregation and district gerrymandering, not from medical doctors. Most medical research is done through carefully controlled protocols and doesn't care about census data.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 12:03 pm
@Olivier5,
I didn't say medical research was the only importance. If you believe it's about slavery, why do most other countries that take a census do so by race and ethnicity?
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 12:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Best Answer - Chosen by Voters

I need to answer the same question. now to that last post not all whites hate others races. Now the answer to that question is. Different races and ethnic backgrounds hold our society together. The United States government has collected statistics on race and ethnicity. The data has been used to study changes in the social, demographic, health, and in economic characteristics of various groups that are in our population. Federal data collections, through censuses, surveys, and administrative records, have provided an historical record of the Nation's population diversity and its changing social attitudes and in policy concerns. They are also important because race and ethnicity have been used extensively in civil rights monitoring and enforcement covering areas such as employment, voting rights, housing and mortgage lending, health care services, and in educational opportunities.
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JPB
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 12:06 pm
Congress isn't pleased.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — In a heated confrontation over domestic spying, members of Congress said Wednesday that they never intended to allow the National Security Agency to sweep up millions of Americans' phone records. And they threatened to curtail the government's surveillance authority.

The clash on Capitol Hill was the most pointed public debate over recently revealed government surveillance programs. It undercut President Barack Obama's assurances that Congress had fully understood and approved the dramatic expansion of government power over the past six years.

The most intense moments came when Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., told Deputy Attorney General James Cole that Congress only meant to authorize seizures of information directly relevant to national security investigations. It never expected the government to snatch everybody's records and store them in a huge database to search later.

As Cole explained why that was necessary, Sensenbrenner cut him off and reminded him that his surveillance authority expires in 2015.

"And unless you realize you've got a problem," Sensenbrenner said, "that is not going to be renewed."

Sensenbrenner's criticism is significant because he was among the primary authors of the Patriot Act and has been a staunch advocate of expanded surveillance powers. He was followed by Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., who picked up where his colleague left off. more
Olivier5
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 12:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
My understanding is that most other countries actually don't include race as a census variable. Those who do have their own reasons, as have those who don't...

The absurd part of it is: what to do with people of mixed parentage, like Obama? Is he white or black???
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 12:09 pm
Quotes from a CNN report
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The United States has no extradition agreement with Russia and while FBI Director Robert Mueller has been in contact with his counterparts in Moscow, federal agents in the American Embassy have no authority to make arrests.
Just how could someone get the idea that federal agents in the American Embassy could have the authority to make arrests?

Quote:
The United States could grab Snowden if any plane carrying him were to refuel in a country that respects U.S. arrest warrants. But he likely will be careful to avoid that scenario.

Nevertheless, the United States has sent provisional arrest warrants to a number of countries where Snowden could either transit or seek asylum, a U.S. official said last week.
JPB
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 12:10 pm
@JPB,
Jesus. I fail to see the humor in this.

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The hearing was far more critical of the government than previous hearings have been. Members of the House from both political parties had strong words for the agency representatives, often focused on how the letter of the law had been exploited.

Ranking Minority Member John Conyers (MI): "You've already violated the law in my opinion."

Rep. Jerry Nadler (NY): "I believe it's totally unprecedented and goes way beyond the statute."

Rep. Ted Poe (TX): "Do you see a national security exemption in the Fourth Amendment? … We've abused the concept of rights in the name of national security."

The author of the Patriot Act, Jim Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin, reminded the government that the act was up for renewal in 2015. The provisions for phone metadata collection, he warned, have "got to be changed … otherwise in a year or year and a half you're not going to have it any more."

Inglis' admission isn't likely to help the effort to convince members of the House that the surveillance programs should be kept as is. Neither will a response offered by DNI counsel Robert Litt. Asked by committee chairman Bob Goodlatte if the government really thought the massive collection of phone records could be kept from the American people, Litt replied, "Well, um, we tried."

The audience chuckled.

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JTT
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 12:20 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Just how could someone get the idea that federal agents in the American Embassy could have the authority to make arrests?


Rogue nations don't worry about that, Walter. They think they are the authority.
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JTT
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 12:29 pm
@RABEL222,
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Man !! What an intelligent reply. Did you go to a university to learn such perfect language?


I regret that I wasn't more inclusive, Rabel.

You two are doddering old fools, Rabel and CI.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 12:41 pm
@Olivier5,
You wrote,
Quote:
Those who do have their own reasons, as have those who don't...


So? What are you trying to say? They do and they don't; for whatever reasons or purpose they choose to do so. It's not always about extermination and slavery.
They have other social science purpose.

The US Census still uses race and ethnicity, and slavery is outlawed in this country. You did know that, I presume?
izzythepush
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 12:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I'm not wrong, you said 16% of the population were Germans. That's wrong, if you'd said 16% of the population could trace their roots back to Germany you'd be right.

Ethnic monitoring is carried out to ensure equal opportunities, especially in the public sector. Even then, it's not that specific. White British, White Other, AfroCaribbean, Asian is about as far as it goes. It's not used to label or categorise people.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 12:51 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Rifkind has always been a slimy creep.
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izzythepush
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 12:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
If so why are you allowed to be quite specific by calling yourself Japanese American, but black guys have to use the term African American as opposed to Angolan/Ugandan/Sierra Leonean/Congolese/Cameroonian American, (or whatever country their ancestors hailed from so many years ago?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 01:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Since it's your thread, c.i. ...
From the United States Census Bureau
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The intent of the ancestry question is not to measure the degree of attachment the respondent had to a particular ethnicity. For example, a response of "Irish" might reflect total involvement in an "Irish" community or only a memory of ancestors several generations removed from the individual. A person’s ancestry is not necessarily the same as his or her place of birth; i.e., not all people of German ancestry were born in Germany (in fact, most were not).
I've always wondered what ancestry people note who's ancestors emigrated between 1806 and 1871 from what became in 1872 Germany.


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The racial categories included in the census questionnaire generally reflect a social definition of race recognized in this country and not an attempt to define race biologically, anthropologically, or genetically. In addition, it is recognized that the categories of the race item include racial and national origin or sociocultural groups. People may choose to report more than one race to indicate their racial mixture, such as “American Indian” and “White.” People who identify their origin as Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish may be of any race.
So according to the official opinion, race isn't defined define biologically, anthropologically, or genetically.
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Olivier5
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 01:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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They have other social science purpose.

Why social science now? Most of the time, I would assume it's political.

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The US Census still uses race and ethnicity, and slavery is outlawed in this country. You did know that, I presume?

So what? Just because it's not about slavery anymore doesn't mean it's asked only for good reasons...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 01:07 pm
@izzythepush,
Your fetish for your own kind of accuracy is amazing. LOL
Olivier5
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 01:08 pm
@izzythepush,
I assume because nobody kept note of where individual slaves were coming from.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 01:15 pm
@Olivier5,
But they did keep track of where slaves came from. You just don't know your US history.

From Wiki.
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An estimated 12 million Africans arrived in the Americas from the 16th to the 19th centuries.[108] Of these, an estimated 645,000 were brought to what is now the United States. The usual estimate is that about 15% of slaves died during the voyage, with mortality rates considerably higher in Africa itself in the process of capturing and transporting indigenous peoples to the ships. Approximately 6 million black Africans were killed by others in tribal wars.[109]
The white citizens of Virginia decided to treat the first Africans in Virginia as indentured servants.[110] Over half of all European immigrants to Colonial America during the 17th and 18th centuries arrived as indentured servants.[111] In 1655, John Casor, a black man, became the first legally recognized slave in the present United States.[112] According to the 1860 U. S. census, 393,975 individuals, representing 8% of all US families, owned 3,950,528 slaves.[113] One-third of Southern families owned slaves.[114]
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 17 Jul, 2013 01:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
More on slaves in America.
http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/colonization-and-settlement-1585-1763/origins-slavery
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