Snowdon is a dummy

@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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I, on the other hand, want him to get a fair trial to determine if what he did was illegal.

Why not try the NSA to determine if what they are doing is legal?

If charges are brought...I would consider it.

So far...no charges...just a lot of theatrics from folk like you.

And the charges would not be brought against the NSA...but against individuals.

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You don't want that fair trial?

Sure I do...if charges are brought.

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@Olivier5,

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@Frank Apisa,

You mean, if the present US administration charges itself? That doesn't seem very realistic.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

You mean, if the present US administration charges itself... Fat chance.

Well, Olivier...there cannot be a trial without charges being brought.

So???

Guess you will have to satisfy your detestation of the United States some other way.

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And if this regime--the executive, legislative and judicial branches together--deems this surveillance of theirs to be legal, well, then it's legal and Snowden is up the creek, as it were.

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@InfraBlue,

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And if this regime--the executive, legislative and judicial branches together--deems this surveillance of theirs to be legal, well, then it's legal and Snowden is up the creek, as it were.

Unless the American people vote these assholes out of power.

To say nothing of very powerful stakeholders such as the computers/networks firms are putting pressure on congress due to their lost and likely future lost of worldwide business.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

And if this regime--the executive, legislative and judicial branches together--deems this surveillance of theirs to be legal, well, then it's legal and Snowden is up the creek, as it were.

Actually, there are still two things available to him

One...jury nullification. (Very long shot...and almost impossible to imagine. And he would have to stand trial.)

Two...spend the rest of his life where he is...is relative freedom, with less governmental intrusion, and with much greater privacy than he would have here.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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And if this regime--the executive, legislative and judicial branches together--deems this surveillance of theirs to be legal, well, then it's legal and Snowden is up the creek, as it were.

Unless the American people vote these assholes out of power.

And replace them with what?

Other people that you would soon consider assholes?

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Actually, there are still two things available to him

One...jury nullification. (Very long shot...and almost impossible to imagine. And he would have to stand trial.)

Two...spend the rest of his life where he is...is relative freedom, with less governmental intrusion, and with much greater privacy than he would have here.

Probably you didn't read about the third, which was published a couple of days ago: Switzerland would ("could", I think) grant Edward Snowden asylum if he revealed the extent of espionage activities by the US government, the Swiss Attorney General* said. (Similar to Germany, that's the head of the criminal prosecuting authority with respect to crimes subject to federal jurisdiction.)

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@BillRM,

For a refreshing change of pace, I find myself agreeing with BillRM.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
Actually, there are still two things available to him

One...jury nullification. (Very long shot...and almost impossible to imagine. And he would have to stand trial.)

Two...spend the rest of his life where he is...is relative freedom, with less governmental intrusion, and with much greater privacy than he would have here.

Probably you didn't read about the third, which was published a couple of days ago: Switzerland would ("could", I think) grant Edward Snowden asylum if he revealed the extent of espionage activities by the US government, the Swiss Attorney General said.

I did not read about that, Walter.

But I imagine there are all sorts of countries that would grant him asylum if he revealed the extent of espionage activities by the US government.

You could hook him up with Venezuela, Liberia would be nice, North Korea.

I didn't actually miss those...I just thought getting Snowden to them could prove to be a problem.

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@Frank Apisa,

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there cannot be a trial without charges being brought.

Maybe a group of concerned citizens will sue the government. You could try and lobby for that, just to know if what they are doing is legal or not. Seems worth it if you are really THAT interested in the issue.

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

For a refreshing change of pace, I find myself agreeing with BillRM.

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@ossobuco,

Bill is 100% on the ball on this.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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there cannot be a trial without charges being brought.

Maybe a group of concerned citizens will sue the government. You could try and lobby for that, just to know if what they are doing is legal or not. Seems worth it if you are really THAT interested in the issue.

Ummm...Earth calling Olivier...come in Olivier.

I think the NSA has NOT been doing anything illegal...nor anything particularly objectionable.

I have said that dozens of times.

Why on earth would I do what you are suggesting?

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@Frank Apisa,

Try to keep up, Olivier.

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@Olivier5,

When people you normally do not agree with are agreed upon by you, there is a red flag one must wave around to notify that there is an obscene amount of obfuscation in the room, which would be provided by Frank in this case, as Frank is the force causing you to agree with someone you normally would not agree with.

Frank, it's not a good sign when you make enemies agree with each other in relation to your ideologies.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

.I just thought getting Snowden to them could prove to be a problem.

You think, the USA really would shoot down a civil passenger airplane from a neutral country?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
.I just thought getting Snowden to them could prove to be a problem.

You think, the USA really would shoot down a civil passenger airplane from a neutral country?

So you think that is the only solution the United States could up with???? To shoot it down?

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@Frank Apisa,

Go ahead, Frank. Tell us what options they have.

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