Snowdon is a dummy

@cicerone imposter,

From Wiki.

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United Kingdom[edit]

The United Kingdom began counting people by ethnicity in 1991.[148] There eventually became more of an interest in enumerating ethnic minorities after large-scale ethnic minority immigration to the United Kingdom began in the post-World War II era.[149] The United Kingdom previously planned to enumerate people by ethnicity in 1981, but changed its mind after the large non-response rate to this question in the 1979 Test Census. In 1979, many ethnic minorities refused to answer this question due to the fear of deportation.[150] In the 2011 census, the ethnicity options for England and Wales were White, Mixed, Asian British, Black British, Chinese or other ethnic group, and Not stated, with ethnic sub-group choices for most of these.[151] The census in the United Kingdom also included a question on country of citizenship between 1851 and 1961.[4]

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I see there are differences in how we think of ourselves. I'm obviously american but my heritage was described to me as 15/16 irish, the odd man out being welsh.
I lived in a multifaceted city most of my life and being irish just about never came up in conversation, but when I was around the larger family, that was zoomed in on. There is this connection, though I pay attention to Kara and Set and Ceili and Euroceltic and Lmur to learn, and I've never been there. Only read about it once in a while, William Trevor coming to mind, and Nuala O'Faolain. Like some music. Father edited (saved, I heard), an irish travelogue, back in the day. Father friend of irish priest who promoted the Fatima scenario. Loved John Wayne and Maureen O'Hara together, as a child.

I'm a californian irish american with other attributes besides geographic past or family history. But I get what Cicerone Imposter meant when he said 16% in US are German.

I'm trying to remember what any of this has to do with Snowden.

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Back to Snowden

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Mr. Snowden,

Provided you have not leaked information that would put in harms way any intelligence agent, I believe you have done the right thing in exposing what I regard as massive violation of the United States Constitution.

Having served in the United States Senate for twelve years as a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, the Armed Services Committee and the Judiciary Committee, I think I have a good grounding to reach my conclusion.

I wish you well in your efforts to secure asylum and encourage you to persevere.

Kindly acknowledge this message, so that I will know it reached you.

Regards,
Gordon J. Humphrey
Former United States Senator
New Hampshire

And when the Guardian's journalist wanted to get the confirmation of the authentity of this email, he get as response:

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Mr. Greenwald,

Yes. It was I who sent the email message to Edward Snowden, thanking him for exposing astonishing violations of the US Constitution and encouraging him to persevere in the search for asylum.

To my knowledge, Mr. Snowden has disclosed only the existence of a program and not details that would place any person in harm's way. I regard him as a courageous whistle-blower.

I object to the monumentally disproportionate campaign being waged by the U.S. Government against Edward Snowden, while no effort is being made to identify, remove from office and bring to justice those officials who have abused power, seriously and repeatedly violating the Constitution of the United States and the rights of millions of unsuspecting citizens.

Americans concerned about the growing arrogance of our government and its increasingly menacing nature should be working to help Mr. Snowden find asylum. Former Members of Congress, especially, should step forward and speak out.

Regards,
Gordon Humphrey

And from Snowden's response email:

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... My intention, which I outlined when this began, is to inform the public as to that which is done in their name and that which is done against them. I remain committed to that. Though reporters and officials may never believe it, I have not provided any information that would harm our people - agent or not - and I have no intention to do so. ...

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@Walter Hinteler,

At long last, a US politician with his head turned 'on'... Nice! Smile

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@Walter Hinteler,

Deutsche Welle - DW now has published (in English) a lot about the German spy-spotter attracts unwanted attention for protest walk

There's a twitter-pic of a map in that collection, from the Süddeutsche Zeitung.
I've copied that from ... in red are all the actual known NSA-stations in Germany, in black those (at least) until 1993:

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@ossobuco,

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I'm trying to remember what any of this has to do with Snowden.

Nothing at all, Osso. But it must be noted that charges of being off topic are often quickly floated by folks just like you and CI, and others when the issues get to be too difficult for y'all to face.

Ah, the sweet ole melting pot. It brings a warm feeling to an American heart, especially an Irish one, or a Japanese one, or Chinese or ... .

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http://invincibleprobity.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/irish-in-america/

The concept of so many Americans, even if rather incredulously, now claiming Irish heritage is one of the most astounding ironies of American history. For there was a time in America not so long ago when voluntarily claiming Irish identity was an act of social and economic suicide, an act that automatically rendered one to the very bottom of society, the object of officially sanctioned and widely practiced ridicule, bigotry and discrimination, even public hatred. To be branded with Catholic Irish identity was to be universally ostracized, in America.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Just by-the-by, Australia's ethnicity questions are limited to whether you identify as indigenous, where your parents were born and whether a language other English is spoken at home.

I'm with izzy on the German thing- using the tacit logic in that statement only 3% of Australians have any Australian in them at all.

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@izzythepush,

In what way would you like me to be more specific? If you really read all my posts rather than the ones you believe can be criticised you would realize I dont claim that everything we do is the right thing just as I say someone like you who tries to claim his government has done no wrong is stupid. All governments cover their ass so they can keep power. Its people like you and a great number of my countries citizens who keep the same power mongers in power because they are to lazy to really look at government. Our problem is a congress who's only thought is to keep getting elected no matter how bad they screw over the citizens. What I am trying to point out that you and JTT are stupid uneducated fools who think they are geniuses. The facts you both point are partly true but you try to mix the lies with the truth so you think all the lies will be accepted as truths. Now come back with another of your bullshit replies like show me where I lied. I wont waste my time on a couple of fabricators like the two of you.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Looks like about 50 50 to me.

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@RABEL222,

What do you expect from these two who only see the crimes of the US and Americans? They're blind to their own viewpoints that can only see "others" who do the crime, and they believe their own are free of any. They don't know their own current of past history; that's where their ignorance shows how idiotic they are in their prognostications about others.

TNCFS

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@ossobuco,

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I'm trying to remember what any of this has to do with Snowden.

Nothing.

I am 3rd generation Italian and I believe that the closer you are to the first and second generation immigrants the more aware we are of the old country. Not that that makes us any less American.

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@RABEL222,

I've been confused when I've looked in lately (my problem) and haven't read enough.

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@cicerone imposter,

Would you please stop with the capitalized words some of us have to look up?
Too late to be hip or hep.

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@ossobuco,

Also, I seem to remember agreeing with you over time.

That is just a guess. Probably not always, but I do always read your posts.

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@cicerone imposter,

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This guy gives away national security information against the laws of this country, and he complains that the president and vice president are attempting to deny him asylum.

What I fail to understand, CI, is how Snowden believed he could expose US classified secrets and think the CIA, etc would not be after him like starving vultures tracking rotting meat. Obviously in Snowden's haste to make his home country look bad he refused to think things through; with the US preventing his movements, he's stuck in Sheremetyevo's transit zone which belongs technically to Russia. The Kremlin is not the ideal country for human rights and the whistle blower must shut up about the US surveillance program to keep from harming Russia-US partnership...it seems Putin places more importance on harmonious relationship with America than in pleasing the rogue whistleblower; now Snowden is faced with a catch 22, running and frightened for his life, according to the following article. From one hour a go, here is the latest update on Edward Snowden.
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Edward Snowden seeks temporary asylum in Russia; US whistleblower has told immigration officials that he fears for his life, says Kremlin-friendly lawyer.

"He's scared for his life, for his security," Snowden's lawyer Anatoly Kucherena told Russian state television, referring to US plans to prosecute Snowden.

Kucherena, a Kremlin-friendly lawyer, said he met Snowden for four hours at Sheremetyevo on Monday evening, and helped the US whistleblower complete the necessary documents to officially apply for asylum in Russia. Russia's federal migration service (FMS) said it received those documents on Tuesday.

Kucherena said Snowden was in a really difficult position. Facing charges in the US for leaking secret documents exposing surveillance programmes run by the National Security Agency and stripped of his US passport, Snowden has been living at the airport since 23 June.

"He's scared that he could be tortured or face the death penalty – that's how he answered questions posed to him by FMS officials," Kucherena said.

More:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/16/edward-snowden-seeks-temporary-asylum-russia

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@Moment-in-Time,

If Snowden believed what he did was the right thing to do, he should also be brave enough to face his accusers of wrong-doing. That he would seek asylum in communist countries is almost laughable. He is truly a confused young man.

If he faces a court of law and tells the judge that what the NSA did was illegal in accordance with our Constitution, why is he afraid?

I don't get it.

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@cicerone imposter,

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If Snowden believed what he did was the right thing to do, he should also be brave enough to face his accusers of wrong-doing.

That is exactly what I don't understand except he did not anticipate the US would take away his passport. Snowden wanted any country except Russia and Russian like governments. He would dearly love to transit to Latin American countries and that is why he applied for "temporary asylum" in Russia, thinking later he might be able to leave the country with a valid passport to Venezuela...I don't think it's going to be so easy.... Transparently, the whistleblower didn't think his escape through or else would have known the US would use every strategy to get him back; I have a sneaking suspicion Putin will not place roadblocks in the US path to capture Snowden.

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That he would seek asylum in communist countries is almost laughable. He is truly a confused young man.

Snowden did not deliberately seek asylum in Russia; he was trapped in the transit zone and could not leave without a passport. The only way to get out of the Sheremetyevo's transit zone without being captured by the Americans is to apply for temporary asylum, although he is less likely to have as much freedom there as in the US.

Russia is not strictly a communist country. In 1991, communism collapsed in the Soviet Union....today the soviet Union does not exist. Russia is almost Democratic (still a long way to go)and capitalist, though still transitioning from it's communist governances less than 20 years ago. The government is still extremely corrupt, but the people are much happier under Vladimir Putin's regime than they were in any communist administration, proving that some democratic progress has developed.

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If he faces a court of law and tells the judge that what the NSA did was illegal in accordance with our Constitution, why is he afraid?

Excellent question. Snowden took a vow to not reveal classified US document, yet like the narcissistic personality he appears to be, he gave into the urge.

Nite, Fellow-poster.....Another time.

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@Moment-in-Time,

We are not sure Russian elections are fair, so I'm not encouraged by Putin's leadership. I've personally seen the advances Russia has made since my first visit in 2000, and my second visit in 2006. They made great advances during that period. It was very noticeable on the river boat on my first trip when most of the service people on the boat were professionals, and on my second visit, the boat staff were college students. The pay scale had changed dramatically, and even in St Petersburg, on Nevsky Prospect, the main pedestrian street, had changed, and the women were more "dressed up" than six years earlier.

On my visits to Cuba, I also met tourists from Russia.

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@cicerone imposter,

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We are not sure Russian elections are fair,

Well as far as fair elections goes one doesn't have to leave the country. Remember 2000, GWB stole the election from Al Gore? Also in 2012, there were Republican workers throwing away Democratic registrations in Florida to name one state. The point is Russia is evolving just as the US is undergoing a transition with our seemingly appearing to go backwards sometime.

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@Moment-in-Time,

True, and with the help from the Supreme Court! What a country.

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