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Snowdon is a dummy

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 06:10 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
I certainly would not be surprised, though, if anyone involved in getting the information out to the media were prosecuted.
In the USA?
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 06:36 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
I certainly would not be surprised, though, if anyone involved in getting the information out to the media were prosecuted.
In the USA?


No, Walter...in Germany or Israel...by Germany and Israel.

Why would you possibly think that the USA would prosecute a German or an Israeli who leaked information about his/er own intelligence agency?









Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 06:40 am
@Frank Apisa,
Well, they got him here. We wouldn't know all that if they hadn't got that US-spy.
revelette2
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 07:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Why does Merkel get pressure about it? I mean in what form and what are the reasons? Just curious.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 07:26 am
@revelette2,
Because of the spy-activities against allies/friends: she is (more or less) directly responsible for it.
revelette2
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 07:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Was the spying done before the order was given to the counter intelligence to start conducting counter intelligence against allies because we refused to sign a deal saying we would stop?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 07:41 am
@revelette2,
Obviously.

The spying on Kerry was done by pure chance - the data should have been destroyed immediately ... by the US-spy. But wasn't.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 08:04 am
@Walter Hinteler,
reuters has the latest news ... in English
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 08:25 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, they got him here. We wouldn't know all that if they hadn't got that US-spy.


Sorry, Walter...but you have lost me here. I do not know to whom the "him" refers...nor almost any of the other pronouns either.

What where you trying to say?
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revelette2
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 08:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I guess I need to get up to speed.

Try not to use language that isn't necessarily condescending even if my questions have obvious answers.

I have now read a few articles. I am trying to figure why the data should have been destroyed by the German double agent. Was it his responsibility? Does anyone know if that information was part of the hundreds of secrets documents passed by him to US intelligence agents?

Quote:
German intelligence services eavesdropped on calls made by US secretary of state John Kerry and his predecessor Hillary Clinton, Der Spiegel has reported.


The German foreign intelligence agency, BND, tapped a satellite phone conversation Kerry made in 2013 and also recorded a conversation between Clinton and former UN secretary-general Kofi Annan a year earlier, according to the magazine.


The three officials were not directly targeted with phone calls collected by accident within the context of other operations, according to the report.


It also cites a confidential 2009 BND document listing Nato member Turkey as a target for German intelligence gathering. Neither the BND or the US embassy in Berlin have responded to requests to comment on the report.


So, who was the third official?

Pretty convenient accidents.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 08:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

reuters has the latest news ... in English


That last paragraph was interesting.

Quote:
Merkel said in an interview last month that the United States and Germany had fundamentally different conceptions of the role of the intelligence service, and she stressed the Cold War was over.


I wonder what Merkel thinks the US conception of the role of the intelligence services are...and what she thinks the German concept is...and why they are "fundamentally different."

And, yes, the Cold War IS over...but what is the connection she intended? Is she saying that the US intelligence agencies should not be interested in obtaining intelligence about what is going on in Russia?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 08:33 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
I am trying to figure why the data should have been destroyed by the German double agent. Was it his responsibility? Does anyone know if that information was part of the hundreds of secrets documents passed by him to US intelligence agents?
According to what Spiegel is reporting: 'yes' to all.
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revelette2
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 08:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
The magazine cited unnamed security sources as saying several U.S. officials had been intercepted by the BND when making phone calls via satellite in a plane but that these interceptions had been unintentional "bycatch".


So are they saying that both the accidental recording of Kerry and Clinton happened via satellite while they were on a plane, or other US officials were accidently recorded while they were on a plane?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 08:44 am
@revelette2,
I'm not sure about all details - might be that's in the print edition on Monday (online for subscribers tomorrow)
glitterbag
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 10:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,
According to Sueddeutsche Zeitung

German security agents recorded a conversation involving Hillary Rodham Clinton while she was Secretary of State, media reported Friday, a potential embarrassment for Berlin, which has lambasted Washington for its widespread surveillance .

Clinton's words were intercepted 'by accident' while she was on a U.S. plane, Sueddeutsche Zeitung said, without giving details of where she was or when the recording was made.

Oop!!!! Don't you hate when that happens?
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 10:57 am
@glitterbag,
I think 'accidential' vs the NSA are very different issues.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 10:59 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
Oop!!!! Don't you hate when that happens?
I don't hate a lot. But I'm really annoyed by it ... and quite happy that action is already taken. (I've never said that I like our chancellor, though.)
Heads will be rolling etc - but since it's weekend here, it is really only THE topic in the news now.
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glitterbag
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 11:06 am
@cicerone imposter,
I'm sure the BND was just messing around with the ship to shore radio during a Christmas Party or OctoberFest. Wonder why Snowdon, the boy wonder didn't reveal that?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 11:09 am
@glitterbag,
No. According to the Federal Prosecution this really was a "by-catch". The US-spy in the BND had the order to destroy it. Instead, he copied it, didn't destroy it and gave the copies to the USA.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2014 11:11 am
@glitterbag,
It's probably because he didn't have that info, and wasn't that earth shattering like what the NSA has been doing.

You ever do anything 'accidentally?' Probably not, because you're too perfect for that! LOL
 

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