@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
I think that's since 2007.
From 2001 until 2012 it had been 20,909, with ten denied and 26 withdrawn by the government.
I'd posted that already sourced a couple of days ago and wonder, from where you got those figures.
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote: He probably counts as an enemy combatant however, and would therefore be subject to detention as a POW until the end of the war.
The USA have declared war to Australia?
@Walter Hinteler,
According to this Wiki article, the FISA court received about 34,000 requests since 1979. The number from 2007 seems to be a great deal over 5,000. I don't remember where I saw the number, but it was in the 5100 range.
@Walter Hinteler,
This is an article from Mother Jones.
Quote:
→ Civil Liberties, Congress, Courts, Crime and Justice
FISA Court Has Rejected .03 Percent Of All Government Surveillance Requests
—By Erika Eichelberger
| Mon Jun. 10, 2013 10:30 AM PDT
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After last week's revelations extensive National Security Agency surveillance of phone and internet communications, President Barack Obama made it a point to assure Americans that, not to worry, there is plenty of oversight of his administration's snooping programs. "We've got congressional oversight and judicial oversight," he said Friday, referring in part to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), which was created in 1979 to oversee Department of Justice requests for surveillance warrants against foreign agents suspected of espionage or terrorism in the United States. But the FISC has declined just 11 of the more than 33,900 surveillance requests made by the government in 33 years, the Wall Street Journal reported Sunday. That's a rate of .03 percent, which raises questions about just how much judicial oversight is actually being provided.
@cicerone imposter,
Well, I actually didn't intend to have posted something different.
It just sums up what I had posted already earlier.
@Walter Hinteler,
You asked where I found the information, and I responded the best I could.
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:oralloy wrote: He probably counts as an enemy combatant however, and would therefore be subject to detention as a POW until the end of the war.
The USA have declared war to Australia?
Oh look, I'm being addressed by a gutless coward.
Hey coward, how about you man up and go justify the accusation you made against me.
@oralloy,
The Swedish charges are minor. And when did Assange ally himself with 9/11 perpetrators?
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:The Swedish charges are minor.
I realize the left always thinks that it is OK for their heroes to rape people, but you might have a different view if you were the person being raped.
Olivier5 wrote:And when did Assange ally himself with 9/11 perpetrators?
When he maliciously published US secrets.
@izzythepush,
Quote:Snowden originally wanted asylum in a democracy, in order to claim asylum in Russia he'll probably have to hand over information that really does affect National Security. The CIA has shot itself in the foot over this.
There is no way that the Chinese let Snowden fly away without downloading all they could, possibly even threatening him to provide all even if he didn`t have all on the laptop in his possession. Russia too.
If this were a flip situation, with a whistleblower from China or Russia going to the US, the US would most definitely have taken all the info and almost certainly have provided asylum - they then would have milked that asylum, pumped that asylum into a phantasmagorical bunch of propaganda.
Rather ironic with the positions of the respective countries, with the US right where it should be, square in the target as the gigantic criminal-terrorist group that it has been at least since WWII.
@oralloy,
Quote:I realize the left always thinks that it is OK for their heroes to rape people, but you might have a different view if you were the person being raped.
You`ve got that ass backward, Oralboy. It`s the right wing nutcases that think rape is ok.
Quote:When he maliciously published US secrets.
Yàll are the biggest hypocrites on the planet. The people of WikiLeaks are journalists. How come yàll haven`t been screaming for the NYT folks to be in jail?
@oralloy,
Quote:Hey coward, how about you man up and go justify the accusation you made against me.
Walter could pretty much accuse you of anything, Oralboy, because a guy like you that has no moral base whatsoever is capable of anything. You defend vicious war criminals, the world`s top terrorist nation, by far. You lie with most everything that spews from your mouth.
@JTT,
JTT wrote:There is no way that the Chinese let Snowden fly away without downloading all they could, possibly even threatening him to provide all even if he didn`t have all on the laptop in his possession. Russia too.
I'm not sure about that. If he let them download data, why isn't he relaxing in a Chinese mansion right now?
But if he did let them download data, he should be given the death penalty if we get our hands on him.
@JTT,
JTT wrote:You`ve got that ass backward, Oralboy. It`s the right wing nutcases that think rape is ok.
You'd be more pleasant without the name-calling.
And no. It is the leftists who are always saying it is OK for their heroes to rape people. Note for instance that movie guy who gets perpetual sanctuary in France.
JTT wrote:How come yàll haven`t been screaming for the NYT folks to be in jail?
The NYT didn't deliberately and maliciously publish information that got people killed for their support of freedom and democracy.
@JTT,
JTT wrote:Walter could pretty much accuse you of anything,
Yes. That is because Walter Hinteler is a gutless coward who makes up false accusations and then scurries away like a little weasel when asked to justify his accusations.
Again, you'd be more pleasant without the name-calling.
JTT wrote:because a guy like you that has no moral base whatsoever
On the contrary, I have the strongest and purest morals of anyone you've ever crossed paths with.
JTT wrote:You defend vicious war criminals, the world`s top terrorist nation, by far.
I defend people who are innocent of the accusations you make against them.
JTT wrote:You lie with most everything that spews from your mouth.
Just the opposite: I always tell the truth.
@oralloy,
Quote:I realize the left always thinks that it is OK for their heroes to rape people, but you might have a different view if you were the person being raped.
He's not charged with rape but failure to use a condom.
Which is a VERY bad crime your father committed when he screwed your mother. Very unfortunate too, in your case, given the result.
Quote:When he maliciously published US secrets.
Like the New York Times and the Washington Post... Send them to Gitmo at once!
@cicerone imposter,
from the link wrote:President Barack Obama made it a point to assure Americans that, not to worry, there is plenty of oversight of his administration's snooping programs. "We've got congressional oversight and judicial oversight," he said Friday,
Except the FISA court rarely rejects a request and Clapper has admitted that he outright lied to Congress because what they were doing was "classified". And, Obama's words are supposed to be reassuring?
The NSA's Surveillance Is Unconstitutional
Congress or the courts should put a stop to these unreasonable data seizures.
Wall Street Journal - July 11, 2013 6:44 PM
By RANDY E. BARNETT
Due largely to unauthorized leaks, we now know that the National Security Agency has seized from private companies voluminous data on the phone and Internet usage of all U.S. citizens. We've also learned that the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court has approved the constitutionality of these seizures in secret proceedings in which only the government appears, and in opinions kept secret even from the private companies from whom the data are seized.
If this weren't disturbing enough, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, created by the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial reform, is compiling a massive database of citizens' personal information—including monthly credit-card, mortgage, car and other payments—ostensibly to protect consumers from abuses by financial institutions.
All of this dangerously violates the most fundamental principles of our republican form of government. The Fourth Amendment has two parts: First, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated." Second, that "no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
By banning unreasonable "seizures" of a person's "papers," the Fourth Amendment clearly protects what we today call "informational privacy." Rather than seizing the private papers of individual citizens, the NSA and CFPB programs instead seize the records of the private communications companies with which citizens do business under contractual "terms of service." These contracts do not authorize data-sharing with the government. Indeed, these private companies have insisted that they be compelled by statute and warrant to produce their records so as not to be accused of breaching their contracts and willingly betraying their customers' trust.
As other legal scholars, most notably Yale law professor Akhil Reed Amar, have pointed out, when the Fourth Amendment was ratified in 1791 as part of the Bill of Rights, government agents were liable for damages in civil tort actions for trespass. The Seventh Amendment preserved the right to have a jury composed of ordinary citizens pass upon the "reasonableness" of any searches or seizures. Because judges were not trusted to jealously guard the liberties of the people, the Fourth Amendment restricted the issuance of warrants to the heightened requirements of "probable cause" and specificity.
Over time, as law-enforcement agents were granted qualified immunity from civil suits, it fell mainly to judges to assess the "reasonableness" of a government search or seizure during a criminal prosecution, thereby undermining the original republican scheme of holding law enforcement accountable to citizen juries.
True, judges have long been approving search warrants by relying on ex parte affidavits from law enforcement. With the NSA's surveillance program, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court has apparently secretly approved the blanket seizure of data on every American so this "metadata" can later provide the probable cause for a particular search. Such indiscriminate data seizures are the epitome of "unreasonable," akin to the "general warrants" issued by the Crown to authorize searches of Colonial Americans.
Still worse, the way these programs have been approved violates the Fifth Amendment, which stipulates that no one may be deprived of property "without due process of law." Secret judicial proceedings adjudicating the rights of private parties, without any ability to participate or even read the legal opinions of the judges, is the antithesis of the due process of law.
In a republican government based on popular sovereignty, the people are the principals or masters and those in government are merely their agents or servants. For the people to control their servants, however, they must know what their servants are doing.
The secrecy of these programs makes it impossible to hold elected officials and appointed bureaucrats accountable. Relying solely on internal governmental checks violates the fundamental constitutional principle that the sovereign people must be the ultimate external judge of their servants' conduct in office. Yet such judgment and control is impossible without the information that such secret programs conceal. Had it not been for recent leaks, the American public would have no idea of the existence of these programs, and we still cannot be certain of their scope.
Even if these blanket data-seizure programs are perfectly proper now, the technical capability they create makes it far easier for government to violate the rights of the people in the future. Consider why gun rights advocates so vociferously oppose gun registration. By providing the government with information about the location of private arms, gun registries make it feasible for gun confiscation to take place in the future when the political and legal climate may have shifted. The only effective way to prevent the confiscation of firearms tomorrow is to deprive authorities of the means to do so today.
Like gun registries, these NSA and CFPB databanks make it feasible for government workers to peruse the private contents of our electronic communication and financial transactions without our knowledge or consent. All it takes is the will, combined with the right political climate.
Congress or the courts must put a stop to these unreasonable blanket seizures of data and end the jurisdiction of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to secretly adjudicate the constitutionality of surveillance programs. Both practices constitute a present danger to popular sovereignty and the rights retained by the people.
Mr. Barnett is a professor of constitutional law at Georgetown University and the author of "Restoring the Lost Constitution: The Presumption of Liberty" (Princeton University, 2005).