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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 03:15 am
Quote:
The journalist who broke the story about an intelligence leaker says he has even more damaging information about US spying activities. He said this would be released if something were to happen to Edward Snowden.

Glenn Greenwald, a journalist with Britain's Guardian newspaper, which first published Snowden's revelations, told Argentina's La Nacion that the former National Security Agency contractor and Central Intelligence Agency employee had so far elected to withhold much of the information he has.

"Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the US government in a single minute than any other person has ever had," Greenwald said in an interview in Rio de Janeiro published in the Saturday edition of the paper.

"The US government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare," Greenwald added. ... ... ...
Source and full report
oralloy
 
  -2  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 04:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
The journalist who broke the story about an intelligence leaker says he has even more damaging information about US spying activities. He said this would be released if something were to happen to Edward Snowden.

Glenn Greenwald, a journalist with Britain's Guardian newspaper, which first published Snowden's revelations, told Argentina's La Nacion that the former National Security Agency contractor and Central Intelligence Agency employee had so far elected to withhold much of the information he has.

"Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the US government in a single minute than any other person has ever had," Greenwald said in an interview in Rio de Janeiro published in the Saturday edition of the paper.

"The US government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare," Greenwald added. ... ... ...

Since this Snowden guy hasn't revealed anything we didn't already know so far, the only thing that should really "happen" to him at this point is prosecution and a long stay in prison.

However, if these clowns start doing actual harm to the nation, I say put them all on the DroneStrike target list, and be sure to set the thermobaric charges to "extra crispy traitor" setting before launching the missiles.
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blatham
 
  5  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 06:15 am
One very small sliver of the relevant past...

Quote:
The events initially addressed in “The Act of Killing” are little known in the West: the slaughter of as many as a million people in Indonesia following the military’s seizure of power there in 1965. The victims were labeled Communists but included labor leaders, ethnic Chinese and intellectuals, with paramilitary groups carrying out the killings at the behest of the Indonesian Army and with the support of the United States and its allies, who worried that Indonesia, like Vietnam, would fall into Communist hands.
http://nyti.ms/18hyNzS

Labor leaders, intellectuals - standard targets. In the modern context, we'll add whistle-blowers.

@Frank
You can say (because it's obviously true) that we have different ideas here. Fine. But there's no flesh on the bones of your use of "dictatorial" in the manner you used it. That's simply not a correct or rational use of the term. It is upside down as I described. To use it in that manner is to say that the whistle-blowers in the tobacco industry or in the lysine price fixing scandal are dictators and the institutions revealed are victims of dictatorness.

As I said earlier, there is a cogent argument one can mount against what Assange is up to but citizen safety, as presently used in this 'debate' ain't it. That's Cheneyland. Commie threat replaced by Muslim threat. There's always some threat. And what gets justified by that 'threat' is...everything.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 06:51 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
What Assange and Manning have done, in my opinion, are a net negative to peace and safety.


The exact opposite, they have shone a light onto terrible practices, and exposed war crimes.

If anything constitutes a net negative to peace and safety it's the subsequent actions of the American government. Bradley Manning has been tortured. America has asserted itself as a global bully by coercing Spain, France and Austria to ground, and search, the Bolivian presidents plane.

The resentment we feel in Europe is nothing compared to the outrage in Latin America.

Snowden originally wanted asylum in a democracy, in order to claim asylum in Russia he'll probably have to hand over information that really does affect National Security. The CIA has shot itself in the foot over this.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 08:31 am
@Frank Apisa,
LOL. I asked first: who are you to object to his free speech? and you answered by a question... which I answered by another question. So I asked first.

If you don't like other people's free speech, just say so. No need to hide.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 08:33 am
@cicerone imposter,
None of this applies to Wikileaks or Assange.
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Olivier5
 
  2  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 08:43 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
What Assange and Manning have done, in my opinion, are a net negative to peace and safety. Whatever can be done to discourage what they have done...makes sense to me.

Why doesn't the mighty US of A go at war with Colombia?

Why don't you CHARGE Assange with something???

Why don't you close the New York Times and the Washington Post, who helped Assange go through the diplomatic cables and publish them?

And the answer to all these is: you'll lose. Smile
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 08:55 am
@Olivier5,
Bonne fête du 14 juillet, Olivier!
Olivier5
 
  1  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 08:59 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Merci! Smile
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cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 10:51 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Also, when the president and congress members are sworn into office, they swear to uphold the US Constitution.

We all know that's a bunch of bull ****; we can't even depend on the Supreme Court to uphold the Constitution.

Why worry about things we can't control? I'm just saying....
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 11:52 am
@cicerone imposter,
In a TV-interview tonight, chancellor Merkel backpaddled a bit:
... the USA had to watch German law in Germany ... they confirmed that they didn't do business espionage on German firms ... "We work together [with the USA] in the fight against terror, on the other side, the protection of our citizen's private data has to be ensured." ...
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 11:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
There were a little over 5,000 requests that went to the FISA court for approval, and only one was denied.

Logistics-wise, I think most of us are pretty safe in our privacy rights.

That's only conditional on what we can believe about these information coming out from the government.
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 12:04 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
@Frank
You can say (because it's obviously true) that we have different ideas here. Fine. But there's no flesh on the bones of your use of "dictatorial" in the manner you used it. That's simply not a correct or rational use of the term. It is upside down as I described. To use it in that manner is to say that the whistle-blowers in the tobacco industry or in the lysine price fixing scandal are dictators and the institutions revealed are victims of dictatorness.


Bernie

If the guy wants to dictate what can and cannot be released...I think the use of the words as I used them is reasonable.

Sorry if we cannot agree on this.
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Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 12:05 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
What Assange and Manning have done, in my opinion, are a net negative to peace and safety.


The exact opposite, they have shone a light onto terrible practices, and exposed war crimes.

If anything constitutes a net negative to peace and safety it's the subsequent actions of the American government. Bradley Manning has been tortured. America has asserted itself as a global bully by coercing Spain, France and Austria to ground, and search, the Bolivian presidents plane.

The resentment we feel in Europe is nothing compared to the outrage in Latin America.

Snowden originally wanted asylum in a democracy, in order to claim asylum in Russia he'll probably have to hand over information that really does affect National Security. The CIA has shot itself in the foot over this.


I understand you feel that way.

I do not.

I feel that my position will ultimately be vindicated.
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 12:06 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

LOL. I asked first: who are you to object to his free speech? and you answered by a question... which I answered by another question. So I asked first.

If you don't like other people's free speech, just say so. No need to hide.
Quote:


If you want to answer the question...answer it. If you do not...do not.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 12:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

There were a little over 5,000 requests that went to the FISA court for approval, and only one was denied.

Logistics-wise, I think most of us are pretty safe in our privacy rights.
(5,000 requests for foreign intelligence surveillance authorisation in what period? [According to a report in the Guardian, in 2012 the court received 1,856 requests for surveillance, which was a 5 percent increase over the number of requests received in 2011.])

So if one out of 5,000 is denied that means, you are pretty safe. Why?
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 12:53 pm
Some data about 'Tempora' in the UK:
Quote:
Around 10,000 staff across the UK’s three main spy agencies, MI5, MI6 and GCHQ in Cheltenham, have access to Tempora’s gathered data, as do 850,000 employees and private contractors of the NSA in the United States.

By comparison, the small ICCO office based in Whitehall’s Queen Anne’s Gate headed by the retired appeal court judge Sir Anthony May, currently has less than 10 full-time staff to carry out its statutory duty of reviewing the interception activity of the UK spy agencies, the Metropolitan Police, HM Revenue and Customs, the Foreign Office, the Home Office and Ministry of Defence.
Source
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Olivier5
 
  3  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 01:56 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Why should I answer your question when you don't want to answer mine, which I asked first?

Lobby to get the staff of the NYT in jail if free speech bothers you. Assange is not a US citizen and never committed any crime in the US.

Better still, go pee in a violin.
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cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 02:21 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I think that's since 2007.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 02:52 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Why don't you CHARGE Assange with something???

I don't think he's raped anyone in the US. He is facing charges in Sweden though I believe.

Regarding Assange siding with the 9/11 attackers, I am not sure if there are charges there (although there may be something I'm unaware of). He probably counts as an enemy combatant however, and would therefore be subject to detention as a POW until the end of the war.
 

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