Snowdon is a dummy

Frank I rarely read your nonsense postings but this one I did and it still amaze me that you or anyone else would think it is patriotic to turn a blind eye when people in power are cheerfully breaking both the spirit and the letter of the constitution.

Or that attacking such assholes are in anyway or in any manner is attacking the country or the ideals that this nation government is base on.

You should have been born a few hundreds years ago in a country where the King and the country was one and the same and to attacked the King was an act of treason that could earn you the death penalty.

Instead of being loyal to a king the oath in the US is to defend and uphold the Constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic and that oath cover defending it against fools [hello frank] who think that we can no longer afford the Bill of Rights due to the "great" danger from terrorism.

it will take the Supreme Court to decide it's constitutionality.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[2]

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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[2]

One day an intelligence officer told him that TAO — a division of NSA hackers — had attempted in 2012 to remotely install an exploit in one of the core routers at a major Internet service provider in Syria, which was in the midst of a prolonged civil war. This would have given the NSA access to email and other Internet traffic from much of the country. But something went wrong, and the router was bricked instead — rendered totally inoperable. The failure of this router caused Syria to suddenly lose all connection to the Internet — although the public didn't know that the US government was responsible.

to attacked the King was an act of treason that could earn you the death penalty.

If people from outside this country think it is a **** heap...so be it.

But recognize that the Canadians in this forum who have negative thoughts about government...are much, much, much, much more likely to express negative thoughts about the government of the United States than of their own country. So too with the people from the UK...or from Germany.

Back to Snowden:

he says that the NSA for a 2012 Syrian Internet outage, not Assad or the rebels.

From the report ("profile") at Wired

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One day an intelligence officer told him that TAO — a division of NSA hackers — had attempted in 2012 to remotely install an exploit in one of the core routers at a major Internet service provider in Syria, which was in the midst of a prolonged civil war. This would have given the NSA access to email and other Internet traffic from much of the country. But something went wrong, and the router was bricked instead — rendered totally inoperable. The failure of this router caused Syria to suddenly lose all connection to the Internet — although the public didn't know that the US government was responsible.

IMHO, there's a bit too much hearsay in that story.

If people from outside this country think it is a **** heap...so be it.

Frank Apisa wrote:

If people from outside this country think it is a **** heap...so be it.

Who has called America a **** heap? I'll admit to saying there's certain things about America I don't like, but I don't think it's a **** heap.

Without America we wouldn't have this.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynZDm50EgBY[/youtube]

The most sublime sound ever.

Frank wrote:

But recognize that the Canadians in this forum who have negative thoughts about government...are much, much, much, much more likely to express negative thoughts about the government of the United States than of their own country. So too with the people from the UK...or from Germany.

This is a thread about Snowden, so it goes without question that people will be criticising the American government, and for the record I'm as critical of the UK government's role in this whole shoddy affair.

Our justice system and Supreme Court may not always reflect our personal values, but I think it is the best as it is as humanely possible to be.

Frank loves to use words that nobody else has used to make his claims about different issues.

Frank wrote,

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If people from outside this country think it is a **** heap...so be it.

I don't know of anyone outside this country who called the US "a **** heap."

Expressive, but just more bull shyt from the king.

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Our justice system and Supreme Court may not always reflect our personal values, but I think it is the best as it is as humanely possible to be.

It is not the "best as it is as humanely possible to be." Do you know US history? How about we begin with the US Constitution? Do you know how long it took for all Americans citizens get the right to vote? How about Civil Rights? How about the SCOTUS intruding into the elections in Florida so that Bush would win? How about SCOTUS (all the men) voting against women's health issues when they voted for Hobby Lobby's religious beliefs?

Really? No wonder I disagree with most of your opinions.

Sounds like somebody needed some filler at Wired...and this came into being.

I tried to Google Internet down in Syria...and came up with something for 2007...and a small, local outage in 2013. If anyone knows of anything else...please post it.

During one massive, prolonged blackout in November of 2012, the Associated Press, a number of other news outlets, and cyberwarfare experts concluded the Syrian government was likely to blame. Syrian authorities, meanwhile, pointed the finger of responsibility at rebel insurgents. Other theories for how the blackout started circulated widely, but few appear to have suggested the U.S. government could be the culprit.

The November blackout was seen as the worst to hit Syria since its civil war began in early 2011. During the Internet shutdown, Reuters reported that Assad's forces were planning a "military showdown around Damascus."

U.S. officials also attempted to provide Syrian opposition forces with an alternative to circumvent the blackout, and berated those thought to be responsible for bringing down the country's Internet.

"We condemn this latest assault on the Syrian people's ability to express themselves and communicate with each other," a State Department spokeswoman said at the time, noting that it had provided 2,000 units of communications gear to some rebel groups.

Something that struck me was the comment: "...in Syria, which was in the midst of a prolonged civil war."

The beginnings of social unrest leading up to the Syrian civil war really didn't happen until early 2011. There is no way the war should be termed "prolonged" as early as 2012.

RABEL222 wrote:

No. You are right on. It is the people who piously say love it or leave it no matter how fuked up it is that dont understand democracy.

Name somebody here who has said "love it or leave it", Rabel.

No one here has suggested that...or even come close to doing so.

You scorn America and its government, ci.

You should try somewhere else to live...somewhere more to your liking.

Maybe Mars!

No fear mongering on my part, ci. You just want to scorn the US government. I cannot understand why you don't join Snowden in Russia...where you can have real freedom.

cicerone imposter wrote:

I have visited Russia twice, and enjoyed myself tremendously; what has that got to do with where I live?

Too bad you didn't stay there.

That is NOT asking ci to seek asylum. He has committed no crime that I know of, Walter. I answered that earlier. He could simply ask to move there...since he is so dissatisfied with our government.
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Frank Apisa wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Why would anyone consider moving to another country because they are dissatisfied with their government in any democracy?

Lots of people have done it. You'd have to ask one of them.

In any case, you sound as though you hate it here so much...and since I like you...I thought I would recommend one way to get away from it all, so to speak.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

I can decide on my very own whether I'm happy in my country or not; none of your business.

You certainly can, ci...but since you seem to go on day after day, week after week about how disgruntled you are with the American government, I felt as a friend that I should at least suggest consider moving away.