Snowdon is a dummy

@izzythepush,

Thanks re link, sometimes now I can see youtube (too long a story. Just yesterday, I'd been sailing along seeing youtube on WA2K, that all recent, and I made the mistake of thumbing up a comment and thus appeared youtube, wanting to know which of my google names I wanted used. I picked a choice.

Then I was shut out again re my lack of adobe flash. No, I can't upgrade that.

Of course, the help system is an escapade to oblivion.

The good news is that I may be let back in if I don't show up as me by approving some video.

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@izzythepush,

Thank you for that, Izzy.

I am sure politicians use organizations like Al Qaeda and the neo-Conservatives for whatever worth they can muster from the issues.

But anyone who does not see that there ARE extremists working in the world right now...is probably being more naive and unrealistic than the people who worry that things might get out of hand without a good deal of monitoring.

I have no idea of where the line should be drawn...and I have not been addressing that.

My quarrel with ci...had to do with the constant and unrelenting disgust and contempt he was expressing for the United States in post after post here.

ci was interred in what amounted to a concentration camp here in the US after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. It was a racist move without a doubt...and I can understand ci's feelings about that event. I, with hindsight at work, see it as a black mark on our nation, but I can understand the kinds of feelings that were in play back then.

But part of being a poster here in a forum of this sort is having people like me disagreeing with the kind of constant bombardment in which ci was engaging...which is what I have done.

All these sidetrackings are little more than diversions to this other diversion...which happened mostly because ci was doing a lot of his moaning and groaning here in this thread.

I am willing to get back to Edward Snowden...and have attempted to get back to it on several occasions.

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

Frank said.

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We have the government we want, ci. We have the government we demand!

No Frank, you said we.

WE do have the government we want and demand, Rabel.

You are a part of "we" whether you want to acknowledge that or not. You go to the polls on election day and vote...and you accept the results of those elections.

WE...including you...have the government we demand!

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@Frank Apisa,

Ignore away. "I" do not have the government "I" want and you can say "WE" are the government until hell freezes over but you can leave me out of your we. I want change and am working toward that change by voting against any incumbent.

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@RABEL222,

Too bad there aren't more like minded Americans like you! It wouldn't surprise me to see about the same balance of power after the November elections.

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@cicerone imposter,

Perhaps so but I cant convince myself that a status quo is a good thing.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

because the US is not some monster polluting the Earth no matter how much you or ci or Olivier might want to imagine us to be.

We're all polluting the Earth, it's just that some countries, on a per capita basis pollute a lot more than others.

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We have problems...but we still act with a lot more restraint than most super powers have acted throughout history.

Not this one again, your whole premise is based on your opinion, and a refusal to compare like with like. I'm not getting into it. No Roman Emperor, English or French king ever used the atom bomb in anger.

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WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT.

There are no platitudes there. It is simply a statement of fact.

If you or ci or Olivier hate our government...you hate us.

That's a bit of a leap, just because I think something is not benign I must hate it. That means I must hate tigers, lions, all manner of animals, birds etc. etc.

I never thought cheese was particularly benign.

You're not the government. You voted for the government, and in so doing farmed out all the responsibilities for government out to them. You seem to blithely think that those with responsibility are all doing the best thing. Like when Cheney advised going into Iraq, Halliburton profits were the last thing on his mind.

It's very important to criticise and keep a check on government. It's as important not to stifle criticism for purely partisan reasons. If Dubya had been bugging Germany would you be quite as sanguine?

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

But anyone who does not see that there ARE extremists working in the world right now...is probably being more naive and unrealistic than the people who worry that things might get out of hand without a good deal of monitoring.

There's probably a lot more now than there was before we invaded Iraq. And that's the point. That's a very flippant response to a documentary series that you've not even seen. Btw, I wouldn't even have spoken to you about the vid if you hadn't replied to that post.

You don't have to watch it, but if you're going to criticise it you should, and not complain about what you think might be in it, based on a Wikipedia page whose link you may or not have clicked on.

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

Ignore away. "I" do not have the government "I" want and you can say "WE" are the government until hell freezes over but you can leave me out of your we. I want change and am working toward that change by voting against any incumbent.

I'm sure that where there is change...the "change" will wear thin on you within a month or so. You will end up having the same complaints with the people who took over than you have with the incumbents.

But mostly...THERE WILL NOT BE CHANGE.

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@Frank Apisa,

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THERE WILL NOT BE CHANGE.

I agree. Yet the times, they are a-changing...

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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THERE WILL NOT BE CHANGE.

I agree. Yet the times, they are a-changing...

Strangely enough, Olivier...I agree with you here.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Strangely enough, Olivier...I agree with you here.

Maybe because I just said a platitude?

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@izzythepush,

Also, the US's support of Israel has created more hate for the US by many more Muslims (and countries) who see this injustice against other Muslims.

It's easier and cheaper to create friends than to support a tyrannical country like Israel that continues their genocide against Palestinians.

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@cicerone imposter,

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It's easier and cheaper to create friends than to support a tyrannical country like Israel that continues their genocide against Palestinians.

genocide????????????????

Strange that a people who are having a population explosion is the poor victims of genocide to say the least.

But the words mean whatever you care for them to mean it would seems.

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Genocide | Define Genocide at Dictionary.com
dictionary.reference.com/browse/genocide
Dictionary.com
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group. Origin: 1940–45; < Greek géno(s) race + -cide.

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I would post on this thread IF there was a font available that was slim and sharp and with stainless steel curves that would put the reader in mind of the sounds coming from Dastardly Dan's moustache.

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In my opinion, Edward Snowden is not a dummy.

He apparently has screwed up, but he deserves a fair trial.

I hope he comes back to the United States so he can get one.

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@Frank Apisa,

I may have said that before...

...several times.

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@Frank Apisa,

If everyone votes the way I do there will be change. Turn over the politicians in government and turn out incumbents every election and change is bound to come. It would help if every once in a while we voters would elect someone who makes between 40 and 50 grand a year rather than millionares and billionares. What does a rich man know about every day living by people who have to be careful of their finances.

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@RABEL222,

Unfortunately, that's the only way change will occur, and the possibility of that happening is zero. I don't think our politics will change until the younger generation takes over, and makes the changes they want. The current system is too embedded into our culture.

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Hooray for Snowdon, he has received a 3 year extension to live in the Workers Paradise.

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