Snowdon is a dummy

@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

I did explain it. I cant help it if you refuse to acknowledge the explanation I have given. You dont come out and say it in so many words but you do skirt around the verbal acknowledgement by hinting at the fact that one should accept everything the U S of A government does or leave the country.

Rabel...that is patent nonsense. I have disagreed strongly with many things the government of our country does...and I have done so publicly...with my name and address attached in newspapers local and remote...not with some alias on the Internet.

I have said that if one is going to post day after day...post after post...of scorn and contempt for the country...one should consider moving out and going somewhere else.

You cannot accept that...so you pretend I am saying something MUCH, MUCH different.

Fine. I agree with so much of what you actually say on other things...I will have to accept that you are taking this road for now.

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The statement , that if you hate the country so much you should leave said it all.

Actually it didn't...but since you are so interesting in pretending I have been saying something I didn't on this issue...and since I agree with so much of what you actually say on other things...I will have to accept that you are taking this road for now.

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No one of any intellegence accepts everything our government does as good for everyone in the US.

I agree...and I certainly do not do that myself. Nor would I ever condemn anyone else for not accepting everything our government does. I NEVER HAVE. You are exaggerating in order to make a point that cannot be made logically and reasonable.

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Nor does the fact that the majority of voting citizens elect politicians mean we have good government.

Okay...but the way our government comes into office starts with the votes of the people.

As I said...no matter how low the people's opinion of congress is...this November almost the entire House of Representatives will be re-elected...and the celebrations after election night will have American citizens glorying in the re-election of their representatives.

We are getting exactly what we are asking for...what we are demanding...what cannot even exist were it not for our approval!

This is the way it works.

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Snowden's right to stay in Russia was extended to three more years today.

“On the first of August he received a three-year residence permit,” lawyer Anatoly Kucherena told reporters.

He added that Snowden had not asked for political asylum.
Snowden will not be able to apply for Russian citizenship.

"He will be able to travel freely within the country and go abroad. He’ll be able to stay abroad for not longer than three months," Kucherena said.

The lawyer said Snowden will hold a press conference in Russia as soon as it will be possible.

The former NSA contractor will be able to apply for the Russian citizenship in five years.
"A foreign citizen, who got a residence permit, will certainly be able to apply for citizenship," Kucherena said.

(Sources: spiegel-online, agencies)

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I love Mr Snowden and I want to have his baby.

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@Frank Apisa,

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There is a huge difference between "people who criticize the us too much should leave the US"...and what I have said to ci.

If you proclaim this long enough, maybe it will become true?...

Or you could act as an adult and actually describe what essential difference there is. But that's doomed to fail, so you won't...

You'd rather rant forever about other posters' right to rant. If you hate freedom of speech so much, why don't you move to China or Russia, where criticising the state can land you in prison? You'd be happier there, unbothered by freedom if speech.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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There is a huge difference between "people who criticize the us too much should leave the US"...and what I have said to ci.

If you proclaim this long enough, maybe it will become true?...

It is true...but your agenda will not allow you to acknowledge that it is.

No problem with me on that...in fact, it causes me to smile a lot, because the cause of your recalcitrance is so obvious to me.

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Or you could act as an adult and actually describe what essential difference there is. But that's doomed to fail, so you won't...

I have done that...several times. I have clarified my position...several times.

But that does not fit in with what is making you continue to pretend that I have been arguing something else...which amuses me.

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You'd rather rant forever about other posters' right to rant. If you hate freedom of speech so much, why don't you move to China or Russia, where criticising the state can land you in prison? You'd be happier there, unbothered by freedom if speech.

Yeah...it makes me laugh out loud at times...like I when I read that blather. (Notice I used "that" again rather than "this.")

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@Frank Apisa,

Makes me laugh too, to see trite nationalist slogans being recycled by ex-liberals terrorised of AQ and co. Like your fathers and mothers were terrorised by "commies"... History repeats itself, the first time as a tragedy, the second time as a farce.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Makes me laugh too, to see trite nationalist slogans being recycled by ex-liberals terrorised of AQ and co. Like your fathers and mothers were terrorised by "commies"... History repeats itself, the first time as a tragedy, the second time as a farce.

Not sure of what you are trying, very unsuccessfully, to say here, but nearly as I can tell, it is the usual mealy-mouthed nonsense to which you seem addicted.

If you actually have something to say...say it so it can be understood, Olivier.

Or continue to amuse with the nonsense.

Your choice.

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@Frank Apisa,

I see that your failure to understand my post doesn't prevent you from bad-mouthing it... That's your standard response anyway: disparage what you fail to understand.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

I see that your failure to understand my post doesn't prevent you from bad-mouthing it... That's your standard response anyway: disparage what you fail to understand.

Nearly as I can tell...it IS the usual mealy-mouthed nonsense to which you seem addicted.

So I told the truth.

Still allowing me to push all those buttons, Olivier. Can't tell ya how much I appreciate that. Wink

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@Frank Apisa,

I could explain but you probably won't get it...

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

I could explain but you probably won't get it...

I'm an intelligent guy, Olivier.

I'd "get it" if you were able to explain it.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Thank you for your attempt to stay on topic on this thread.

It will be interesting to see if he goes anywhere now that he is free to leave. Since he is not protected by a political asylum status, does that mean the US is free to go to Russia and arrest him, or will they have to have permission from Russia first?

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Since he is not protected by a political asylum status, does that mean the US is free to go to Russia and arrest him, or will they have to have permission from Russia first?

Well, as far as I know, Russia is still a sovereign country and not part of the U.S.A. . Wink

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On the whole Frank being accused of lying/saying people should leave saga.

I think Frank is trying to say it was a suggestion rather than just telling to people to leave. He explained it as like if someone was watching a tv show they hate, everyday they watch it and complain about all the things the they hate about it, about how there is nothing that could ever improve that tv show, they should consider changing the channel to a show they do like. Its not rocket science to understand it.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Yeah I kinda thought so. If someone was wanted by Russia who happened to be just visiting here, I am pretty sure, he/she would be extradited to Russia. Wonder if the US will ask.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

On the whole Frank being accused of lying/saying people should leave saga.

I think Frank is trying to say it was a suggestion rather than just telling to people to leave. He explained it as like if someone was watching a tv show they hate, everyday they watch it and complain about all the things the they hate about it, about how there is nothing that could ever improve that tv show, they should consider changing the channel to a show they do like. Its not rocket science to understand it.

Thank you, Revelette.

It is NOT rocket science...and at this point, considering all the explanations I have given, if they are not "gettting it"...they are not getting it by choice.

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@revelette2,

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I think Frank is trying to say it was a suggestion rather than just telling to people to leave. He explained it as like if someone was watching a tv show they hate, everyday they watch it and complain about all the things the they hate about it, about how there is nothing that could ever improve that tv show, they should consider changing the channel to a show they do like. Its not rocket science to understand it.

It's also not rocket science to understand that:
1. changing country is not as easy as changing TV channels... It takes significant resources; it cuts you off your network of friends and family; other countries may disagree to you moving there, etc. The comparison is absurd.
2. Frank is misrepresenting CI's beef, which is not about the country but about the way it is governed.
3. It is the same idea as "Love it or leave it", i.e. it is an old right-wing meme peddled time and time again at government critics everywhere.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I'd "get it" if you were able to explain it.

I doubt it. You are very good at not understanding things. And my statement was written in plain English. What part did you fail to understand?

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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I think Frank is trying to say it was a suggestion rather than just telling to people to leave. He explained it as like if someone was watching a tv show they hate, everyday they watch it and complain about all the things the they hate about it, about how there is nothing that could ever improve that tv show, they should consider changing the channel to a show they do like. Its not rocket science to understand it.

It's also not rocket science to understand that:
1. changing country is not as easy as changing TV channels... It takes significant resources; it cuts you off your network of friends and family; other countries may disagree to you moving there, etc. The comparison is absurd.

The comparison is not absurd, Olivier. The comparison is not about the relative ease of the two actions...but about the fact that if one is truly disgruntled with something as much as ci has been showing about the US...a suggestion that he move is not inappropriate or unwarranted.

The only reason you are not getting that...is because you do not want to get it.

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2. Frank is misrepresenting CI's beef, which is not about the country but about the way it is governed.

Baloney. I am not misrepresenting anything.

The country and the way it is governed are inexorably related. What are you saying he loves about the country...the trees?

In any case, the way we are governed is completely in our hands. WE are the voters who put the people in power...into power.

As I've noted...come November, almost the entire of the House of Representatives (the governing body with the lowest rating of approval) will be re-elected...and there will be parties celebrating the return of every one of them. The electorate will have returned the House to govern us.

Hating the government IS hating us...whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

In any case, ci pisses and moans about every aspect of what America truly is right now...so he is pissing and moaning about the country.

My suggestion that he consider moving elsewhere is not inappropriate, unwarranted or unreasonable.

He apparently has considered it...and come to the conclusion that he would rather not.

Fine with me.

I've even got him talking about love of country!!!

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3. It is the same idea as "Love it or leave it", i.e. it is an old right-wing meme peddled time and time again at government critics everywhere.

No, it is far from it...and except that you are trying desperately to depict me as negatively as possible, you would see that.

But...I push your buttons...and you are having trouble dealing with that.

I am totally willing to stop all this nonsense and get back to the subject at hand...the subject of this thread. What say?

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@Olivier5,

Frank will "never get it." He gets on these merry-go-round with people who disagree with him, and repeats ad nauseam the same refrain about him being right and everybody else being wrong. Between the mix of condescending bull shyt and insults, he thinks he's free from insulting others.

It's better to jump off that merry-go-round, because Frank will never "get it."

Even when its explained by several people.

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