Snowdon is a dummy

@RABEL222,

The biggest problem is the standardized testing in our schools. They forgot about creativity, sports and the arts. Educators still have not learned that students do not have the same interests nor the same level of learning by age.

"Facts" can be very elusive, because our perceptions are based on our own subjective reality. I can't explain it, but it boggles my mind to see so many Americans who still believes Obama was born in Kenya, and that he's a "socialist."

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@cicerone imposter,

That stuff dosent have anything to do with their dislike of Obama. They hate him because he is black.

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@RABEL222,

That's obvious, but their perceptions about Obama is so skewed towards the incredible, it makes a person like me wonder.

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

So you think just because I live in the U S of A I have an obligation to praise every politician that the citizens voted into office no matter how crooked they are?

Where have I ever even remotely suggested such a thing, Rabel.

Cite one example...anywhere...from any of my posts here or at Abuzz.

You will never find anything remotely suggesting that.

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Look around you Frank.

Okay, I am looking.

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The citizens dont run this country, big money runs the country and elects the politicians you think the citizens elect.

No...that is more hyperbole, Rabel.

The politicians are VOTED into office by people casting votes.

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Am I bitching? Your damned right I am and I am trying to convince other citizens what a screwing they are getting by electing the same crooks year after year.

Fine...do all the bitching you want...and do all the convincing you can.

In November...almost the entire House of Representatives will be re-elected...and there will be tons of people at the election headquarters of each of those winners cheering their heads off that their person won.

They will be loving it...ecstatic about it.

They will be PROUD they voted for the person elected.

THE PEOPLE, Rabel...decide who will be in office...and they do it with pleasure and pride.

Watch the television results on Election Night...and you will see what I am saying is true.

You ought really to come to grips with that.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank said

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THE PEOPLE, Rabel...decide who will be in office.

The people who hear, day in and day out constantly being told lies by the media until the lies take on the aura of truth. The media is controlled by big money who have brainwashed the PEOPLE. It worked in Germany, in Russia, in China and now with the help of people like you in the U S of A. But you keep on telling people like me how ungrateful we are and maybe eventually you might convince me. But dont hold your breath until it happens.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I have never said...or even intimated "love the US or leave it."

That is something you made up.

How is saying:

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ci hates America...and should be man enough to just leave.

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inherently different from "love the country or leave it" ???

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@Olivier5,

Frank also lies.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Obviously many people here feel our intelligence services should only check on people who mean us harm!

Whew...this beyond comic!

Well, obviously the new, second "whistleblower" thinks so as well.

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

Frank said

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THE PEOPLE, Rabel...decide who will be in office.

The people who hear, day in and day out constantly being told lies by the media until the lies take on the aura of truth.

But the people decide!

So if you are saying you hate the government...keep in mind that WE, THE PEOPLE are the ones electing the government.

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The media is controlled by big money who have brainwashed the PEOPLE.

But the people decide!

So if you are saying you hate the government...keep in mind that WE, THE PEOPLE are the ones electing the government.

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It worked in Germany, in Russia, in China and now with the help of people like you in the U S of A.

Ahhh...so now you want to blame me.

Seems to me you are getting into a blame game, Rabel...and leaving yourself out of the mix.

So then go on hating and despising your country.

I ask you...where would you go if you could move where the government is so much better?

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But you keep on telling people like me how ungrateful we are and maybe eventually you might convince me. But dont hold your breath until it happens.

Hold yours, if you want, Rabel.

If you want to become a chronic complainer like ci...live that life.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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I have never said...or even intimated "love the US or leave it."

That is something you made up.

How is saying:

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ci hates America...and should be man enough to just leave.

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inherently different from "love the country or leave it" ???

To speakers of English, Olivier...it should be obvious.

I did not say "love America or leave it."

I was saying that if you hate the place...you should be man enough to just leave it.

No need for love.

But if you spend post after post talking about how much you despise and abhor the place...

...yeah...you should consider leaving it.

That is, if you have any spine...which I am not accusing ci of having.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Frank also lies.

I guess all of us occasionally tell a lie.

But I was certainly not telling one when I wrote the comment Olivier questioned.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
Obviously many people here feel our intelligence services should only check on people who mean us harm!

Whew...this beyond comic!

Well, obviously the new, second "whistleblower" thinks so as well.

Jeez...that makes two people.

I guess that settles it.

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@Frank Apisa,

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No need for love.

That's called casuistry.

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@Frank Apisa,

I'm trying to find out if the term "whistleblower" is quite accurate. Apparently the information provided by someone in the intelligence community was a revision Obama made in 2013 regarding whether the watch list was providing results.

I tried to copy the particular paragraph which was provided to The Intercept, but for some reason, I couldn't do it.

Its found here

I think for most part, people overly concerned with keeping tabs on all this, are giving the government too much of a hard when all they are trying to do is to do their job in trying their best to protect the country. Hopefully, more efficient ways will be discovered, but I don't see nothing wrong in using people's statements on the social media as a source for people being possible terrorist to be watched. Go ahead, call me a Nazi, its getting just too old.

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@revelette2,

Frank, I didn't mean you were going to call me a Nazi.

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@revelette2,

The inflationary use of calling someone a "Nazi" is getting worse and worse: a Nazi is a supporter of the NSDAP and/or their politics (which today would be a "neo-Nazi", though).

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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No need for love.

That's called casuistry.

Call it whatever you want. I never said anyone had to LOVE America in order to do anything. But if the truth bothers you, Olivier...cloud things up by derogating what I am saying.

I think anybody who spends as much time as ci telling us what a disgusting place America is...should leave.

If someone where to come to A2K...and post daily about how much he abhorred A2K...how the people were blind and stupid and the postings and topics were all uninteresting...and that he despised A2K...

...I am sure many people would suggest to that person that he find a different forum.

So...for the people who are disgusted with America...and who think it cannot be improved...and who abhor the place...

...my advice would be: Consider moving somewhere else where you can be more happy and content.

Edward Snowden might suggest Russia...you, Olivier, might suggest France.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Frank, I didn't mean you were going to call me a Nazi.

I realize that...and I would not call you a Nazi, Revelette. You you are making more sense on this issue than almost all of the people posting in support of Snowden.

Fact is, I would not call anyone on A2K...a Nazi. I agree with Walter that the term is being demeaned by inappropriate overuse.

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@Frank Apisa,

From DW's Who's behind releasing the US terrorist list?:

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The world's most famous whistleblower is currently in Russia. He is not a Russian citizen, and he doesn't work for an intelligence agency that keeps its records in Cyrillic script. Edward Snowden is a US citizen and has been granted political asylum in Russia. The famed whistleblow's location is important to bear in mind for those trying to link him to the lists published on the investigative website "The Intercept".

"Edward Snowden can't even have had access to these lists," says Dagmar Pepping, US correspondent with German public broadcaster ARD. "When those secret documents were written, Edward Snowden was no longer working for the NSA." [...]

Does that mean there's another whistleblower within the National Security Agency (NSA)? Not necessarily, says Erich Schmidt-Eenbohm, a German intelligence expert. He says one shouldn't limit the search for a second "leak" to the ranks of the NSA. The list had been distributed to many US government officials, he stresses, and one look at the sources of the list showed that, "The CIA provided 45 percent, the Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) 39, and the NSA only 11 percent [of the content]."
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Erich Schmidt-Eenbohm says he believes the latest disclosures haven't provided much additional information. But journalist Dagmar Pepping notes Snowden's NSA revelations were also only published step by step, and she says there might be more to come.

While this case appears less than spectacular, Pepping says it is an embarrassment for Obama: "If it turns out that intelligence services are not doing things differently - despite all the promises - and that they are pursuing the anti-terrorism fight to excess, then that's news that Barack Obama actually can't afford."

[My emphasis.]

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@Walter Hinteler,

I could be wrong, but I really think most people won't think the watch lists are a bad thing in the US, besides those who are against all of these spying issues and such. People everywhere else, don't think too much of the US or Obama anymore anyway.

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