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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jul, 2014 12:07 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

So it became known by now that the head of the CIA for Germany will have left Berlin at least before the coming weekend.

Mainy think that the BND-head in Washington will have to leave the USA, too.


Just what we need more of...

...theater of the absurd!
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jul, 2014 12:09 pm
@JTT,
Give her a break, will you? She was right to point out that personal threads are frown upon on A2K. I expect she will make a fool of herself by blowing the issue out of proportion, and then one week from now, she will have forgotten all about it, but she is not hypocritical.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 15 Jul, 2014 12:32 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Some media report that about another dozen US-agents are placed in the Federal Ministries of Defense, Economy, Interior, and Economic Cooperation and Development. Especially the opposition parties asked the government and the agencies today about this in the committee meeting.
The deputy governmental spokeswoman, however, said that there wasn't any knowledge about such.
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Olivier5
 
  3  
Tue 15 Jul, 2014 01:09 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
the French get involved only when they receive an engraved invitation.

I've been thinking about that. You may have put your fat greasy finger on to something, Aunt 'litter... I am referring to the '5 eyes'. These are all anglophone nations, sharing the same culture. They form a sort of club, and others -- such as the French or the Germans -- are indeed not invited. The bother in that picture is that, by virtue of being from the same culture, those '5 eyes' intel agencies may have similar biases, similar sources, and similar approaches to intel. If that's the case, they cannot help one another that much...

Worse still, that club could just be the "US spooks sycophantic club": a venue for US spooks to impress their (easily impressed) anglo-saxon colleagues, and/or to mock the intel coming from other sources... Including the stupid French and their 8-month forewarning of 9/11... Ha ha ha, French intelligence gathered from the "Uzbek Channel"... Hi hi hi hi... Let's send them a thank you note...

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RABEL222
 
  3  
Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:50 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Both actions are political gamesmenship. In other words bullshyt.
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JTT
 
  0  
Tue 15 Jul, 2014 04:50 pm
@Olivier5,
I don't know how the French define it but that's the dictionary definition of hypocritical in English, O5.
revelette2
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jul, 2014 05:59 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Mainy think that the BND-head in Washington will have to leave the USA, too
.

I doubt it.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jul, 2014 06:43 pm
@JTT,
No, that's the definition of having a screw loose. Her heart is all in it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jul, 2014 10:48 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
The US president and German chancellor have spoken for the first time since a scandal broke out over alleged US espionage against Berlin. The White House said it wants to improve intelligence cooperation with Germany.

Merkel, Obama talk intelligence cooperation amid spy row
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Wed 16 Jul, 2014 03:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Quote:
The US president and German chancellor have spoken for the first time since a scandal broke out over alleged US espionage against Berlin. The White House said it wants to improve intelligence cooperation with Germany.

Merkel, Obama talk intelligence cooperation amid spy row



As a start, I understand he asked what her new cell phone number was!
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 16 Jul, 2014 09:18 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
As a start, I understand he asked what her new cell phone number was!
He is short sighted and couldn't read the number on his display?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 16 Jul, 2014 11:24 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
As a start, I understand he asked what her new cell phone number was!
He is short sighted and couldn't read the number on his display?


He wasn't talking to her on her cell phone.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 16 Jul, 2014 11:37 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
He wasn't talking to her on her cell phone.
And doesn't have a display on his landline phone?
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Wed 16 Jul, 2014 11:47 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
He wasn't talking to her on her cell phone.
And doesn't have a display on his landline phone?


Earth calling Walter! Earth calling Walter!

SHE was not using her cell phone...he had called her land line to land line.

Or at least that is my story...and a reason why he might not see her new number.

Jeez. Ya gotta explain everything to some people.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 16 Jul, 2014 11:54 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Jeez. Ya gotta explain everything to some people.[/b]
If you weren't responding here, Frank, I would be totally lost.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 16 Jul, 2014 11:58 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Mr. Green Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 16 Jul, 2014 12:14 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
Jeez. Ya gotta explain everything to some people.[/b]
If you weren't responding here, Frank, I would be totally lost.


We agree there...especially since you had so much trouble with that cell phone/land line scenario.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 17 Jul, 2014 08:45 am
Edward Snowden: 'If I end up in chains in Guantánamo I can live with that' - video interview
Quote:
Edward Snowden, the NSA whistleblower, talks exclusively to Alan Rusbridger, editor-in-chief of the Guardian, and reporter Ewen MacAskill in Moscow. The 31-year-old former intelligence analyst discusses whether he is a Russian spy, his likely fate if he returns to the US and the relevance of George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four in the age of Google
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 17 Jul, 2014 08:51 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Edward Snowden urges professionals to encrypt client communications
Quote:
Exclusive: Whistleblower says NSA revelations mean those with duty to protect confidentiality must urgently upgrade security
[...]
During the seven hours of interview, Snowden:

• Said if he ended up in US detention in Guantánamo Bay he could live with it.

• Offered rare glimpses into his daily life in Russia, insisting that, contrary to reports that he is depressed, he is not sad and does not have any regrets. He rejected various conspiracy theories surrounding him, describing as "bullshit" suggestions he is a Russian spy.

• Said that, contrary to a claim he works for a Russian organisation, he was independently secure, living on savings, and money from awards and speeches he has delivered online round the world.

• Made a startling claim that a culture exists within the NSA in which, during surveillance, nude photographs picked up of people in "sexually compromising" situations are routinely passed around.

• Spoke at length about his future, which seems destined to be spent in Russia for the foreseeable future after expressing disappointment over the failure of western European governments to offer him a home.

• Said he was holding out for a jury trial in the US rather a judge-only one, hopeful that it would be hard to find 12 jurors who would convict him if he was charged with an offence to which there was a public interest defence. Negotiations with the US government on a return to his country appear to be stalled.

Snowden, who recognises he is almost certainly kept under surveillance by the Russians and the US, met the Guardian at a hotel within walking distance of Red Square.

The 31-year-old revealed that he works online late into the night; a solitary, digital existence not that dissimilar to his earlier life.

He said he was using part of that time to work on the new focus for his technical skills, designing encryption tools to help professionals such as journalists protect sources and data. He is negotiating foundation funding for the project, a contribution to addressing the problem of professions wanting to protect client or patient data, and in this case journalistic sources.

"An unfortunate side effect of the development of all these new surveillance technologies is that the work of journalism has become immeasurably harder than it ever has been in the past," Snowden said.

"Journalists have to be particularly conscious about any sort of network signalling, any sort of connection, any sort of licence-plate reading device that they pass on their way to a meeting point, any place they use their credit card, any place they take their phone, any email contact they have with the source because that very first contact, before encrypted communications are established, is enough to give it all away."

Journalists had to ensure they made not a single mistake or they would be placing sources at risk. The same duty applied to other professions, he said, calling for training and new standards "to make sure that we have mechanisms to ensure that the average member of our society can have a reasonable measure of faith in the skills of all the members of these professions."

He added: "If we confess something to our priest inside a church that would be private, but is it any different if we send our pastor a private email confessing a crisis that we have in our life?"

The response of professional bodies in the UK to the challenge varies, ranging from calls for legislative changes to build in protection from snooping, to apparent lack of concern.

Ross Anderson, professor of security engineering at Cambridge University, said he shared Snowden's concerns about the vulnerability of the professions to surveillance by spy and law enforcement agencies.

"If you think your HIV status is secret from GCHQ, forget it," he said. "The tools are available to protect data and communications but only if you are important enough for your doctor or lawyer to care."

Timothy Hill, technology policy adviser at the Law Society, which represents UK lawyers, said the profession was concerned.

"Legal professional privilege – the right to consult a legal adviser in confidence – is a long established common law right. Its fundamental role in our legal system needs to be reasserted."

The society is pressing to have existing legislation rewritten to include explicit protection for legal professional privilege from government surveillance.

"There needs to be a debate about the implications of the Snowden revelations for professional privilege in the digital age," Hill said. "It is not happening. This is not being debated in parliament."

He said the society was seeking to strengthen law firms' cybersecurity awareness but that a stronger statutory framework was essential.

Michelle Stanistreet, the National Union of Journalists general secretary, echoed the concerns. "For democracy to function, it needs to have a free press and journalists who are able to do their job without fear or hindrance. But this is becoming increasingly under threat."

She added: "Last year's revelations show that unencrypted communications can mean that journalists may be unwittingly handing over their contacts, footage or material, against their will."

The General Medical Council provides guidance to UK doctors about protecting information against improper disclosure.

It said that "unless doctors have a management role, they are not expected to assess the security standards of large-scale computer systems provided for their use in the NHS or in other managed healthcare environments."
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Thu 17 Jul, 2014 09:29 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Edward Snowden: 'If I end up in chains in Guantánamo I can live with that' - video interview
Quote:
Edward Snowden, the NSA whistleblower, talks exclusively to Alan Rusbridger, editor-in-chief of the Guardian, and reporter Ewen MacAskill in Moscow. The 31-year-old former intelligence analyst discusses whether he is a Russian spy, his likely fate if he returns to the US and the relevance of George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four in the age of Google



Sounds like a deal.

So does that mean he will come back to the US and stand for a fair trial?
 

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