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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 12:23 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
... why you think I do not think Germany is a great friend...or why I think our relationship should take further hits...
You don't spy on friends, especially not on "great friends".
And since you want more spying against/in Germany ...
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 12:30 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
... why you think I do not think Germany is a great friend...or why I think our relationship should take further hits...
You don't spy on friends, especially not on "great friends".


But there you are wrong.

We are great friends...and we do spy on you...and you spy on us.

The spying is not a determinant of whether or not we are friends or great friends.

Try to finally grasp that...because it is important.


Quote:
And since you want more spying against/in Germany ...


Huh???
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 12:35 pm
@Frank Apisa,
WE (and that really is nearly 100% of) Germans don't like and want being spied on us.

No matter how much you like it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 12:36 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
But Frank's opinion has more value - to himself! LOL
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 12:37 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Quote:
And since you want more spying against/in Germany ...


Huh???
Didn't you write that the spying on us will go on?
Sorry that I misread your numerous response!
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 12:40 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

WE (and that really is nearly 100% of) Germans don't like and want being spied on us.

No matter how much you like it.


Here is my position:

WE ARE GOING TO SPY ON YOU...and most likely you are going to spy on us. If you decide not to spy on us...WE ARE GOING TO SPY ON YOU ANYWAY.

The spying is going to continue.

Spying goes on...and friends can get past it.

That is what I think we should do...get past it. Work together on issues that confront us both...and which are better handled as partners.

You position, Walter, seems to be that if spying continues...we ought to abandon our relationship.

I think that is nuts.

And I think cooler heads than yours in both the US and Germany will prevail.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 12:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

But Frank's opinion has more value - to himself! LOL


Yes...I value my opinion, ci. Most people do value their own opinions.

Not sure why you do not value yours...but that is your problem. Wink
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 12:42 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Quote:
And since you want more spying against/in Germany ...


Huh???
Didn't you write that the spying on us will go on?
Sorry that I misread your numerous response!


I most assuredly did...MANY, MANY TIMES.

But what is your point here?
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JTT
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 12:45 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Why don't you just tell Frank the truth, Walter, instead of this endless waltz? Describe to him how the USA has been the equivalent of the worst of the Nazis, not for a short period of time but for the USA's entire existence. There's voluminous information documenting it.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 12:48 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
What Frank said was "live with it, because all countries do it."
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 12:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

What Frank said was "live with it, because all countries do it."


What I said was quite clearly stated...and certainly does not need clarification from someone like you, ci.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 12:58 pm
@Frank Apisa,
That's for Walter to determine.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 12:59 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
You position, Walter, seems to be that if spying continues...we ought to abandon our relationship.

I think that is nuts.

And I think cooler heads than yours in both the US and Germany will prevail.
Those "cooler heads" most certainly live in another country than mine.

I do think that spying among friends is a tabu. Especially between "great friends".
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 01:01 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I do think as well that it will go on.
And since it was announced that we might do so, too - that cetainly will be the beginning of a very different kind of "friendship".
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 01:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Thank you, c.i..
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 02:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

That's for Walter to determine.


No it isn't.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 02:28 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
You position, Walter, seems to be that if spying continues...we ought to abandon our relationship.

I think that is nuts.

And I think cooler heads than yours in both the US and Germany will prevail.
Those "cooler heads" most certainly live in another country than mine.

I do think that spying among friends is a tabu. Especially between "great friends".


Fine...except that it is a fact of life.

But if you are so sure we should not be friends...do your best to destroy the relationship.

We'll see who comes out the worse for that.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 02:33 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
But if you are so sure we should not be friends...do your best to destroy the relationship.
I can't remember how often I wrote it in this thread: I'm not a native American-English speaker. So please excuse that I wrote something meaning "I am sure that the USA and Germany should not be friends".
I neither intended to write such nor do and did I think so.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 02:35 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I don't remember you ever writing such a statement, so it seems it's up to Frank to cut and paste from any of your posts to prove his point.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 13 Jul, 2014 02:39 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
But if you are so sure we should not be friends...do your best to destroy the relationship.
I can't remember how often I wrote it in this thread: I'm not a native American-English speaker. So please excuse that I wrote something meaning "I am sure that the USA and Germany should not be friends".
I neither intended to write such nor do and did I think so.


Then you must be saying what I am saying: Spying will go on...we will remain friends...and let's put this all behind us before it becomes so contentious that we do severe relations.

Great. Glad you finally see things my way.
 

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